Dear DU Woman--stop throwing back shots of Rum and you won't get raped....

[KitSileya]

38. In other words, men cannot help themselves?

Men cannot but rape?

Oops, I'll get the MRAs and the idiots caterwauling unless I explicitly say *Some* men cannot help themselves, *some* men cannot but rape?

In most cases with these rapes of drunken women, bystanders knew the woman was vulnerable and did nothing. In many famous cases, they even stood by and took photos, or talked about it in the next room. Why should all the education be about women not drinking, when we know perfectly well that even one drink can make you fall down drunk if a perp slips a mickey into it?

The premise of the whole thread is akin to teaching female soldiers to survive without drinking water while stationed in the Middle East, lest they be raped as they go to the latrine during the night. Which has happened to too many female soldiers to count, before you ridicule my analogy.

As it is, I expect better of men. I expect men to change masculine culture to make it ok to say to buddies, "Hey, don't reduce that women to just a body part, she's a whole woman" when they indicate a woman's breasts or bottom and go "Hur-Hur, I'd like to tap dat." I expect men to change masculine culture to make it a cool thing to tell a buddy, "I don't think she's sober, don't have sex with her." I expect men to change masculine culture to make it ok to listen to - and actually HEAR - women when they talk about their experiences and how they experience the world.