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In reply to the discussion: So, the 13 year old boy was shot 7 times by one cop [View all]ieoeja
(9,748 posts)83. Even the cops do not claim he aimed the gun at them.
They hollered "drop the gun" a couple times. The kid started to turn, and one cop emptied his gun into him. I'm sure the kid died wondering what was going on and why.
Where do you, and all those like you, get the idea that everybody is a well indoctrinated Marine, trained to immediately react to a legal order? The human beings I encounter on a daily basis react to someone shouting out an order with, "huh, what?"** It's a pretty good bet this kid never had a day of boot camp in his life. Expecting him to react like a well drilled Marine is pretty flippin' unreasonable.
This is one of the reasons the military has to first tear you down before building you into what they want. You have to be broken of that tendency people have to react to orders with a question.
**Worst advice commonly given to people entering the service, "when they say, 'jump', you ask, 'how high'". That is, in fact, exactly what happened here. Cops shouted at the kid, kid turned probably to ask them something, or argue with them if he understood the order, and that one finger itchy cretin murdered him. He should have jumped***, not asked questions.
***Best advice for people entering service is that there is no correct height. No matter how high you jump, it will be wrong. But "how high" does have a correct answer. The correct answer is, "that was an order, not a question."
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We'll see what the lesson is. The rookie will probably learn its okay to murder
morningfog
Oct 2013
#2
You seriously cannot figure out that many here have an issue with SEVEN bullets and a toy gun?
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#121
I DID let my kid run around with a play gun (an airsoft rifle) with his friends.
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#127
I have not called you one name. Please show me where I have or apologize.
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#131
As far as I know, you never accused me of being illiterate, scientifically and otherwise.
EOTE
Oct 2013
#168
The fact that you defend a cop who shot a kid 7 times seconds after approaching him
EOTE
Oct 2013
#136
"The kid was also told to drop...." RIIIIIIGHT. Say the perp cops. As for the orange tip: It can be
WinkyDink
Oct 2013
#26
I think it's the child factor that makes you lose your ability to analyse this objectively...
Decaffeinated
Oct 2013
#51
Give that one another go... You are literally just repeating back the words I said to you...
Decaffeinated
Oct 2013
#60
Keep your open mind, desire to have all the information and fact finding desires to yourself........
NM_Birder
Oct 2013
#46
It's plastic - he could have cut it off with a pocket knife as he knelt over the kid
tularetom
Oct 2013
#81
Even 1 shot to the back would be horrid, bottom line the kid wasn't a threat and even during shootin
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#53
Dodge of what?! Trying to minimize 7 shots to the back down to 5!?!?! Really!? As if 1 isn't bad
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#59
Even worse IMHO, the side of the body is more narrow than the back... the cop had to be closer or he
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#64
Head, back, knee finger.. the young man was doing nothing more than what open carry folk do
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#67
He as shot 5 times on the side of his body, that's even worse... the cop had to be closer to get tha
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#68
That would be consistent with turning towards them, which is what the cops are saying happened.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#70
You're justifying unloading 7 shots into a kid a close range and I'm flailing?!?!?! WTF!? Seriously?
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#73
When all you hear is "anyone with a gun is nut job killer, except the govt" it is no wonder they
The Straight Story
Oct 2013
#10
Why is it okay for rednecks in Texas to walk around with assault rifles in stores
Vashta Nerada
Oct 2013
#18
That just isn't true. I live in Northern California. Kids with toy guns and BB guns is not uncommon.
Throd
Oct 2013
#29
I'll just shut you down at your first paragraph, ok? If the cops around there are SUFFERING SO BADLY
Ghost in the Machine
Oct 2013
#116
Children who play with toy guns have the right to be shot by the police...?
LanternWaste
Oct 2013
#79
Actually, the victim had an automatic weapon play gun without the distinguishing orange cap
Tumbulu
Oct 2013
#123
I don't need to. You've defended the actions of the police by blaming the victim.
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#128
Yes, just now. Most of that was added after I posted. Emesis basin worthy for sure.
MindPilot
Oct 2013
#137
That's why I am not commenting much. I am having Trayvon Martin flashbacks. n/t
vaberella
Oct 2013
#102
Any chance that toy had the red cap on the muzzle at the time of the shooting?
Duer 157099
Oct 2013
#78
It had been removed, whether by the kid or someone else is unknown at this time.
Ranchemp.
Oct 2013
#80