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SolutionisSolidarity

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58. Because the greater evil must be opposed.

Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:17 PM

Oct 2013

Many German left-wingers refused to support the more moderate parties in the 1920's. Some even thought that Hitler's extremism would be rejected by the populace so forcefully that it would lead to a socialist revolution. They failed to account for the great harm truly evil people can do when they sneak into a position of authority. And as the potential of man grows, so does the danger posed by malevolent political leadership.

You want to tell me the Democrats suck, or that Labour sucks? Well fine, sometimes they do. If you tell me that I should wait around for the perfect politician or political party to rise up before even making the barest of contributions to the political process, you're mad. The only way out of the 2-Party political trap is to beat the crazy party so thoroughly that the sane party can fragment into sane conservatives and liberals. The presence of the crazy party will continually shift us to the right until we collapse, if it's not driven out.

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F*** Russell Brand. Anybody who encourages young people to NOT vote can go to hell [View all] scheming daemons Oct 2013 OP

George Carlin said the same thing. Francois Jeopardy Oct 2013 #1

So we have 2 comedians encouraging the "utes" not to vote legcramp Oct 2013 #3

Ehhh, where's My Cousin Vinny, to make it a threesome! MADem Oct 2013 #9

No just one - the other guy is dead. AAO Oct 2013 #51

He doesn't have to keep anything to himself. The fact that you think not voting should be ridiculed liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #2

Do you really believe leftynyc Oct 2013 #5

Criticizing an abysmally stupid public statement is not bullying, by any stretch of the imagination. arcane1 Oct 2013 #10

I get so tired of people telling people how they should vote. I get bullied into voting for any liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #17

When were you ever bullied into voting? treestar Oct 2013 #100

thanks treestar Cha Oct 2013 #115

You have to be bullied into voting for Democrats? MH1 Oct 2013 #149

I get so tired of people cheapening the word "bullying". MH1 Oct 2013 #150

+1 Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #170

It is not possible to "not vote". jeff47 Oct 2013 #47

Agreed. I had a college professor once, who said, "Not making a decision IS a decision." razorman Oct 2013 #53

RUSH: "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" 7962 Oct 2013 #95

BINGO! If you don't vote, the bozos vote counts MORE! .. . . . n/t annabanana Oct 2013 #68

I double agree. airplaneman Oct 2013 #71

Exactly, it is childish plea for attention treestar Oct 2013 #99

He was referring to Brand "encouraging people not to vote" not the same thing as okaawhatever Oct 2013 #70

Criticism of public statements is bullying? Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #125

I hate it when people don't vote. They are full of opinions about things and spew them roguevalley Oct 2013 #127

Agreed. If the asshole wanted people to make a statement whe would urge them to vote SamYeager Oct 2013 #4

Voting sure as hell worked for the Teahadists! Are they smarter than us? Huh, huh? freshwest Oct 2013 #6

Paulbot talking points from the Disruptive, Anti-Political crowd. MADem Oct 2013 #7

Righteous rant! Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #26

+2 nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #80

I get what he's saying - this system sucks... polichick Oct 2013 #8

your last sentence is EXACTLY what the teabaggers say scheming daemons Oct 2013 #11

Congrats on your closed fearful mind. I'm not talking about end times "crash and burn." polichick Oct 2013 #13

Yes. The dismay and anger that McAuliffe is up bigg Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #29

Yup. Some people were spreading scandal about McCauliffe. MineralMan Oct 2013 #61

Or "the system" could wind up a lot worse. treestar Oct 2013 #101

have to agree with Scheming bettydavis Oct 2013 #12

Maybe people who want to control what other people do are the a$$holes. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #21

I have to point out indigoth Oct 2013 #54

Is it possible that they have no control regardless, think Diebold, SCOTUS... Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #69

The House majority also has investigative power, which Issa is currently tblue37 Oct 2013 #156

If there are no good candidates, why vote? tinrobot Oct 2013 #14

there are always worse candidates scheming daemons Oct 2013 #15

you sure like to call people who don't agree with you names don't you? liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #27

Sounds like you're a third party person Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #30

The rules on DU say that you must not advocate for the defeat of Dem candidates. tblue37 Oct 2013 #157

Ah, the ole "lesser of two evils." MattSh Oct 2013 #120

Because there are really bad candidates. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #16

Then you get what you deserve. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #24

Because the greater evil must be opposed. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #58

+1000. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #158

I was wondering when Godwin's Law would show up in this thread. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #159

Godwin's Law is hardly applicable here. People are asking why they should participate in politics. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #161

The OP said nothing about Nazis. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #163

The 1920s Germans were nowhere near the 1930s Germans, friend. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #168

And if you don't vote, the *very worst* candidate is more likely to win. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #81

lol treestar Oct 2013 #102

When there's not a candidate I can vote for, I still show up to vote and leave that SharonAnn Oct 2013 #108

John Kerry was the first president I voted for quinnox Oct 2013 #18

What made you not vote in 2000? That was my first Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #31

Just not paying attention, you might say the 2000 election debacle quinnox Oct 2013 #39

Understandable. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #41

In 2000, when I turned 18, I voted for Gore. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #160

K & R. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #19

If you don't vote, you forfeit any right you have to complain about the gov't ajk2821 Oct 2013 #20

No you don't Bgno64 Oct 2013 #46

Or do like the GOP did ajk2821 Oct 2013 #59

You know why Mickey Mouse can't win? treestar Oct 2013 #103

Uh, even IF he Mickey gets the most votes... MattSh Oct 2013 #121

Mickey is certainly old enough treestar Oct 2013 #129

I remember Homer Simpson beating Mickey Mouse tabbycat31 Oct 2013 #164

But the OP's own sigline promotes George Carlin, who disagrees with you. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #133

Civil Rights Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #22

thank you. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #23

you're thanking someone for blatantly lying about the civil rights movement? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #35

Do you mean me? Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #48

Either you're completely ignorant, or completely dishonest on the subject geek tragedy Oct 2013 #55

He didn't sign it because a bunch of people voted. He signed it because they took to the streets and jtuck004 Oct 2013 #112

the Civil Rights act of 1964 most definitely was achieved by voting scheming daemons Oct 2013 #28

Certainly Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #38

Must be why MLK encouraged youth to work inside the system Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #32

Painfully ignorant post. Pathetic. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #33

Seriously. There's days one wants to reach into the tubes.....nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #37

My, lately I have been attracting all sorts of vitriol Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #43

Jesus, you're doubling down on the stupidity. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #52

First of all I'm not an ignoramus Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #62

"you are fixated on my use of the word vote" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #64

This discussion Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #65

Voting does work. It's not sufficient, but it does work. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #66

Yeah, if voting isn't important, why do they try so hard to keep the "wrong" people from doing it? nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #84

I said the main point Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #85

And I agree. I *do* think voting by itself is insufficient. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #86

If anything, it showed that "working within the system" AND working outside it are BOTH necessary. nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #83

Who the hell passed the Civil Rights Act? PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTED FOR!!!! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #36

Don't ever become a history teacher. PLEASE. MADem Oct 2013 #45

You are correct. After all the failed lawsuits and attempts at voting, it took people jtuck004 Oct 2013 #113

The problem with Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #118

First, please realize that not being asked for advice has never stopped me from offering it jtuck004 Oct 2013 #126

He's British, his opinons about the current system are about Westminister Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #25

And yet it's blowing up big here in DU with no less than Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #34

Sorry but people reacting to a Brit not voting by shouting about Al Gore and the SCOTUS Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #56

Plus he was married to Katy Perry for a nano-second. nt mimi85 Oct 2013 #105

It's sad that this kind of thing even needs to be said. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #40

Here's a wild idea. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #42

then write in a vote or vote third party. not voting at all is moronic scheming daemons Oct 2013 #44

Brand is a Brit they have more than two Parties. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #60

But voting for somebody who'll get maybe ten votes is brilliant? MattSh Oct 2013 #122

I note your lack of response about Carlin's attacks on voting. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #135

yep. good post. Run inspiring candidates, and maybe the young people will show up quinnox Oct 2013 #49

Who voted for a "third way corporate shilling blowhard" lately? BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #50

"Liberal"? Hardly.... truebrit71 Oct 2013 #89

There's a South Park episode in here somewhere... n/t DRoseDARs Oct 2013 #57

I have no respect for people who discourage others from voting Politicub Oct 2013 #63

But the OP's own sigline promotes George Carlin, who very famously told Americans this: Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #131

Carlin is treated like a sage from on high by some Politicub Oct 2013 #145

Point is the OP uses Carlin as his sigline while claiming to curse all who discouage voting Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #67

are your knickers properly twisted then? whirlygigspin Oct 2013 #72

Look at the real point he's trying to raise Saviolo Oct 2013 #73

Finally somebody in this thread who actually GETS what Brand was........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #87

Until... Saviolo Oct 2013 #97

Exactly. Many of us vote anyway TBF Oct 2013 #93

The real tragedy Saviolo Oct 2013 #96

in great part because people were too lazy and stupid to vote in the midterms. bettyellen Oct 2013 #132

Speak for your own territory, the entire West Coast did fine in 2010, Oregon set turnout records Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #136

nationally, we were fucked because idiots think the president does everything and it never occurs to bettyellen Oct 2013 #137

Our elections are State by State events, not nationally run. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #140

1/3 less young people vote in the midterms, skewing the vote conservative. bettyellen Oct 2013 #142

Actually much of the electoral outcomes here have to do with better election systems and Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #165

Sadly other states are interested in limiting the vote bettyellen Oct 2013 #171

Well f*** me too! MyNameGoesHere Oct 2013 #74

Scripted dangin Oct 2013 #75

Adding Russell Brand to my "word trash" list because, really...I don't know or even ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #76

He is a British comedian quinnox Oct 2013 #77

Yes. If liberals don't vote, this is what happens ~ Zorra Oct 2013 #78

There are a few comedians Flatpicker Oct 2013 #79

How tolerant of you. DeSwiss Oct 2013 #82

I think you completely missed the point... truebrit71 Oct 2013 #88

Sooooo, don't vote against the larger of two evils? DetlefK Oct 2013 #90

No. Demand REAL change instead. truebrit71 Oct 2013 #92

You can demand all you want, while sitting on your hands. DetlefK Oct 2013 #154

His rant was unbearably non-productive. DetlefK Oct 2013 #91

His answer to that is something I've said a lot too....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #94

But he didn't deliver ANYTHING. DetlefK Oct 2013 #155

That kind of thing is self indulgent and stupid treestar Oct 2013 #98

I'm siding with Katy Perry on this topic ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #104

+1,000 nt MADem Oct 2013 #110

Well, he IS British. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #106

He doesn't vote and yet... Bonobo Oct 2013 #107

Yes, he has a big microphone scheming daemons Oct 2013 #114

But do you say the same about Carlin, who also advocated abstaining from the vote? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #138

Anyone who blowhards about "not voting" is an idiot who Cha Oct 2013 #109

People who don't vote are the first to be screwed. gulliver Oct 2013 #111

I do not support not voting Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #116

Do you think that is true in all countries with elections? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #139

Brand is advocating a cultural revolution, not aiding apathy. Cronus Protagonist Oct 2013 #117

Occupy The VOTE RESPECT Our VOTES Cha Oct 2013 #119

So, you want to curtail his free speech? AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #123

No, scheming wants to point out that what Brand is saying is facile and idiotic Recursion Oct 2013 #128

Then call it facile and idiotic. (which it is) AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #146

If he thinks non-voting revolutions are easy and bloodless he's very naive to say the least nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #124

Hey, it's Russell Brand ourfuneral Oct 2013 #130

Why can't we do both? Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #134

That's the real problem with Brand's rant. Voting takes a few minutes once every two years. stevenleser Oct 2013 #141

exactly! This either/ or thing is facile bullshit. bettyellen Oct 2013 #143

Not to mention all the political advantages to voting Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #144

the point is moo whirlygigspin Oct 2013 #147

Yes, but may I point out -- it's EVERY YEAR, everywhere I've lived. MH1 Oct 2013 #151

Good point. Its important to vote in those elections too! nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #152

Agreed. Not voting is a stupid idea Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #148

all this fuss over a call for a little metanoia in the noos, lol whirlygigspin Oct 2013 #153

144 Incitatus Oct 2013 #162

Russell Brand is a fuckwit ourfuneral Oct 2013 #167

Democracy only works with FULL PARTICIPATION. Avalux Oct 2013 #169