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jazzimov

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16. The Left DID so something!

Fri Oct 25, 2013, 04:31 PM

Oct 2013

Why do so many people forget our accomplishments? Is it because it happened during the Election Fever of 2008?

Bush's policy was surveillance with effectively no oversight. Because of the outrage that began on the Left, there was a Congressional hearing that eventually led to new Laws. Did these new laws go far enough? I don't think so. But, the thing to remember is that these are NOT Bush's policies and they ARE legal.

I support changing the Law. I do NOT support blaming Obama or any other administrative official. There is no blame, and if anything Snowden's revelations demonstrate that.

Change the Law.

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I think the NSA revelations were vital and necessary [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 OP

He, Der Spiegel, and many, many other news organizations sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #1

Since I began the OP title stating explicitly that the revelations were vital and necessary Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #2

I disagree completely Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #4

Change the bath water. Keep the baby. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author msanthrope Oct 2013 #5

I'm sympathetic to what you're saying. However, I don't understand the context of the dkf link. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #7

I'll take the fifth on that one. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Oct 2013 #25

It's a thinly veiled accusation/call out 1000words Oct 2013 #10

The exchange seems to be going just fine 1000words Oct 2013 #9

Been here a month, eh? Welcome to DU!!! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #12

It isn't and that is the point. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #14

When you say they "were" vital, can you give us a date when new revelations stopped being vital? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #15

Don't parse my statements out of context. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #17

Right. But which ones were the "earliest" revelations? Does it include July or only June? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #18

I'm not going to enumerate each revelation and discuss their individual minutae Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #19

Does the NSA have to spy on Presidents for economic reasons? Is that a principle you cherish? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #23

I'm not concerned about politicians. My concern is that free people remain as such. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #32

My question was in reference to your statement that he isn't 'doing it sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #20

Not everything that is learned is appropriate for publication. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #22

Much like the Zimmerman telegraph. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #26

How are they hurting the effort to reign in these horrendous abuses? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #24

Again, you're arguing as if I oppose all of the revelations. You would be wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #28

No, I'm asking how should a journalist report on a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #29

I never discussed "how." A fair reading of my every comment would show I only refer to the "what." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #33

+100 nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #3

The Left DID so something! jazzimov Oct 2013 #16

Do you know what was done about Bush's illegal spying by Congress? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #30

This is the kind of common ground we need on DU. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #11

You mean the Brazilian and Mexican President should not have been told they were spied on? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #13

Well said, Nuclear Unicorn. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

sunlight is the ONLY real disinfectant.... mike_c Oct 2013 #27

You should ask the NSA to reveal you? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #31