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DragonBorn

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73. The first situation is murder?

Fri Oct 25, 2013, 05:33 PM

Oct 2013

Let me repost it just so we are clear.

At first the news reports where that a kid armed with a realistic toy AK47 was confronted by cops, told to drop the weapon twice, he refused and then pointed the weapon at officers who then shot him. That while being tragic seems above board. Cops where in legitimate fear of their lives if thats how it went down.

That is what was reported at first. Now let me ask you a question,
Do you think you have the right to point what appears to be a firearm at a cop after being told to drop it?

I've seen the pictures of the kids AK, and it looks very realistic. I've been shooting for over 10 years and if someone pointed that at me I would assume it was real to, especially at a distance.

Look at that pic and tell me what make this an obvious toy. Its not like the kid was holding a Nerf gun. Its a airsoft gun designed to look exactly like a real AK.

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Autopsie comfirmed: 13yr old Murdered by Cop [View all] FreakinDJ Oct 2013 OP

Is There A Link, Sir, To An Account Of The Autopsy Report? The Magistrate Oct 2013 #1

Sorry on my phone at work FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #2

No Problem, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #4

Several on google news, here's one... pkdu Oct 2013 #3

they both lie, sir. leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #6

Yes, but civilians also tell the truth. EOTE Oct 2013 #14

Yes, but civilians also tell the truth. bwaahahhahahahhhahahahahhahahahhwhqhhwhahhwhha leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #23

Are you suggesting they don't? EOTE Oct 2013 #25

yes civilians do lie. they dont always see what the think they saw. cops lie as well they dont leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #28

When you have multiple witnesses with nothing to gain testifying against cops... EOTE Oct 2013 #32

There's a big difference adieu Oct 2013 #45

So, what's your point? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #16

From the previous posts, it's most likely something along the lines of "The boy got what he EOTE Oct 2013 #26

are u trying to speak for me? leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #29

Just offering an opinion. EOTE Oct 2013 #30

pointing out facts about the police who have not yet been found guilty (xcpt by you) does not equate leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #41

Only the court of law can find those murderous pigs guilty. EOTE Oct 2013 #42

He was shot once in the right buttocks, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #43

Being shot on the side really doesn't say very much. EOTE Oct 2013 #47

Here. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #49

There are at least 5 gun shot wounds there that could be from the back. EOTE Oct 2013 #50

I posted the link, that's where. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #51

You're really not very quick, are you? EOTE Oct 2013 #53

And you're not too quick youself either. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #54

There is NOTHING in there that states where the shots came from. EOTE Oct 2013 #58

Obviously we're not going to agree on this, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #60

Obviously, because you don't seem to acknowledge objective fact. EOTE Oct 2013 #62

And all your little name calling is supposed to make me "see the light"? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #63

No, I don't expect you to be educated at all. EOTE Oct 2013 #65

Now I'm convinced that I have far more knowledge about GSW and autopsies than you. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #67

But a Cop defending Murderous Cops just the same FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #75

I guess pointing out facts is now the new "defending". Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #88

Facts? Like being shot in the right hand is the same as being shot from the right side? EOTE Oct 2013 #93

Yeah, you definitely seem like the cop type. EOTE Oct 2013 #79

You're hilarious DragonBorn Oct 2013 #86

How many names do you post under? nt NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #87

Youre right, I haven't read a thing you've written. EOTE Oct 2013 #92

ranchemp? Is that you? Forget to logout your sock puppet, did you? nt EOTE Oct 2013 #94

Now the accusation. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #100

So why is he asking if I read what he wrote me? EOTE Oct 2013 #106

I have no idea, ask him. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #111

Your position from the beginning was that the autopsy said 5 or more shots came from the front EOTE Oct 2013 #117

That has not been my position, that's been the autopsy report, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #118

No, that's just your cop wannabe interpretation. EOTE Oct 2013 #125

Cops won't have me? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #126

Hmm, which federal agencies accept applicants who can't comprehend simple sentences? EOTE Oct 2013 #133

Yep, just as I thought, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #134

Exactly as you planned, huh Sherlock? EOTE Oct 2013 #136

Please stop, you're cracking me up. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #137

You're not even going to try? EOTE Oct 2013 #138

What did you type, exactly? EOTE Oct 2013 #124

Try what? Explaining how I came to the conclusion about the autopsy report? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #139

You're confusing your sockpuppets again. EOTE Oct 2013 #140

You keep saying sock puppet, what the hell is a sock puppet? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #141

The account you forgot to logout of. EOTE Oct 2013 #142

If that's what you think, then please, alert on it, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #143

Then you are welcome to explain your interpretation. EOTE Oct 2013 #144

So me an Remchamp are the same person now? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #168

The conspiracy theories of some around here is the stuff of a John La Claire novel. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #171

Either that or you're incredibly confused. EOTE Oct 2013 #175

Resurrections are so billh58 Oct 2013 #145

If you truly believe it, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #146

I guess pointing out facts is now the new "defending". Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #89

I tend to agree with you MattBaggins Oct 2013 #18

You live in one fucked place. joeglow3 Oct 2013 #21

It Is Easy To Tell Who Pays Attention In Class, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #24

There is what really happened.... Jazzgirl Oct 2013 #52

It took them 10 seconds atreides1 Oct 2013 #5

So far the autopsy just confirms that the boy was shot 7 times....not that he was shot on the ground Captain Stern Oct 2013 #7

i believe one of yhem was a rookie still in fieldtraining loli phabay Oct 2013 #8

Rookie was newly hired but has 11 yrs with another police dept. Blue Diadem Oct 2013 #12

thanks have not been following the story loli phabay Oct 2013 #15

The rookie came from another agency Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #13

The articles I read said the shooter was the experienced cop. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #78

ROEs for cops - shoot first and ask questions later. Rex Oct 2013 #9

All the autopsy says is that the kid was hit 7x, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #10

The first two shots probably spun him Link Speed Oct 2013 #34

It seems that most of the shots hit him on the right side, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #38

All but one shot were to his right side NickB79 Oct 2013 #59

Bullets do not follow Acme cartoon laws... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #90

***2ND amendment is ANOTHER Whites Only Law**** Lynching by cop not surprising any longer uponit7771 Oct 2013 #11

Can you imagine if a cop did this to an NRA member who was walking around Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #19

Great point, There would be riots and more open carry exhibitions uponit7771 Oct 2013 #20

+1 and it would be an adult, with a real gun, not in a play area lunasun Oct 2013 #31

excellent point leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #33

Near as I can tell it's the anti-2A types that demand anything resembling an Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #132

unprofessional and untrained cops is my issue not 2a uponit7771 Oct 2013 #148

I didn't realize it the other day when it was posted on DU but, Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #17

Thank you for adding that context gollygee Oct 2013 #22

As one of those progun posters let me repost what I said in an earlier thread DragonBorn Oct 2013 #44

No need to wait and see. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #61

I don't think your being realistic DragonBorn Oct 2013 #69

Sorry, but I'm the realistic one here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #70

The first situation is murder? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #73

The first situation is murder. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #74

I've thought the situation over DragonBorn Oct 2013 #83

this is what the cop said questionseverything Oct 2013 #81

That's what I figured, DragonBorn Oct 2013 #84

the cop was not fit,unbalanced in some way questionseverything Oct 2013 #85

There has been story after story... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #91

the 2nd cop did not feel threatened questionseverything Oct 2013 #116

It's called discretion.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #119

So those school shootings DragonBorn Oct 2013 #170

shooters have carried long guns under trench coats questionseverything Oct 2013 #172

Yes DragonBorn Oct 2013 #173

new info questionseverything Oct 2013 #174

That's right, only let your kids play with real ones. That way the cops will always be justified notadmblnd Oct 2013 #135

Bullshit. This is the same fucking Racism over and over MattBaggins Oct 2013 #72

definatly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #163

The cops ALWAYS claim the person they shot aimed a gun ot them or approached them tblue37 Oct 2013 #80

Thank you for the background. nt. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #57

Are they going to press charges against the cop? darkangel218 Oct 2013 #27

So far the autopsy report backs up the cops statement. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #35

Not what the OP said. Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #36

The OP has claimed in other threads the the cops shot him in the back and then Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #40

That is a fact in the eye witness statement FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #46

Which in all probability, will be proven untrue, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #48

So, the autopsy report is a lie as well? NickB79 Oct 2013 #56

No need to wait and see... One cop murdered him. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #64

I hope the cop is sent to the chair .. and the event is should be televised to all police stations srican69 Oct 2013 #37

7 shots to take down a 13 year old boy. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #39

2 shots to take him down. 5 more to make sure he was dead. Iggo Oct 2013 #68

That poor baby get the red out Oct 2013 #55

Come on, now! They're HEROES, right? I mean, where's the MILK? Th1onein Oct 2013 #71

An autopsy is NOT a criminal trail, so the OP is false. Coyotl Oct 2013 #66

One correction: There was NO "first exchange." The boy's tblue37 Oct 2013 #76

Thank you FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #77

"Exchange" and "first exchange" are standard terms used to describe shooting situations, zo it is tblue37 Oct 2013 #82

This wanta' be should spend the rest of his misserable life behind bars madokie Oct 2013 #95

Sonoma County Sheriff's Dept. has a history of covering up Officer Involved shootings FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #96

Yeah, I'm sure you do, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #101

According to you EVERY Cop is justified killing 13yr old boys FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #104

I would very much like you to provide a link to a post where I've done or said that, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #105

Without the Trajectory findings you cant say which shots happened first FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #107

How in the hell am I supposed to know why it was taken off the internet? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #113

Law enforcement are not taught to shoot to kill, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #102

The opinion that cops should be taught to wound only is utter silliness mythology Oct 2013 #164

You probably would have shot the kid too under similar circumstances. gulliver Oct 2013 #97

FAILED Excuse for Wanna-Be Rambo Cops FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #98

Autopsy. nt LWolf Oct 2013 #99

Doesn't seem to matter to this one. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #103

I'm not the one demanding the video be taken down off the internet FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #109

Neither am I. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #114

Is there a working video of this incident? Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #108

Authorities had it removed from the internet FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #110

fucking rhoid rage asshole cops gopiscrap Oct 2013 #112

I have a sneaking suspicion... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #115

That would be a very educated guess on your part. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #120

Oh just get over it already. Glassunion Oct 2013 #121

Ya I know FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #122

The FBI have launched their own investigation Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #123

And High Powered Attorneys for the Lopez Family as well FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #127

The more the merrier, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #128

My guess would be the 24yr veteran with 3 unarmed citizen kills under his belt FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #129

Can we please lose the terminology "Good shooting" vs. "Bad shooting" Z_California Oct 2013 #130

You need to watch the witness in this video FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #131

This is what I hate raptor_rider Oct 2013 #147

OP Concern noted, but not true. flvegan Oct 2013 #149

Love the "Blaming the Victim" routine FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #150

Regardless, YOU posted factual untruths in that the autopsy provided facts that it did NOT. flvegan Oct 2013 #151

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #152

Did you or did you not post an OP that was unfactual? flvegan Oct 2013 #153

SO you would kill the kid and not be like the other cop that just Rex Oct 2013 #154

So you were there? flvegan Oct 2013 #155

So you won't say anything about why you would blow the kid away Rex Oct 2013 #156

I already did. flvegan Oct 2013 #157

I have prior, do you ever read the threads or just the OP? Rex Oct 2013 #158

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #159

You would have to read ALL the post FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #160

Awesome, nonsense. You didn't answer the question. Try again? flvegan Oct 2013 #161

13 year olds are hardly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #162

To a limited extent. Have you noticed that 13 year olds kill fewer innocent people than cops? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #165

a 13 can shoot you dead. how old was the kid that just Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #166

A 13-year old can't shoot someone and have his buddies help form a Blue Wall of Silence AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #167

fbi is investigating Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #169

That's true, but it's incidental in this case Orrex Oct 2013 #176

That's true, but it's relevant to the string, starting at # 162, defending the shooting AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #177

I'm not sure Orrex Oct 2013 #178

Normal size 13-year olds don't look like adults. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #179

The danger comes not from the child's size but from the gun Orrex Oct 2013 #180