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sabrina 1

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24. How are they hurting the effort to reign in these horrendous abuses?
Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:05 PM
Oct 2013

Quite the contrary actually. The NSA took advantage of new technology, starting under Bush/Cheney, that the law had not yet caught up with and has been all over the world invading the private lives of civilians, in South America, in Europe, Asian and the PEOPLE of these countries are outraged, as we would be, to learn that a foreign government has been spying on their personal phone and email records.


This conversation came up over eight years ago when they caught doing it here and what did Congress do? They changed to law to make their criminal violations, which were acknowledged under that law at the time, retroactively to legalize their crimes.

THIS TIME, they went too far and now what should have happened ten years ago, is finally about to happen. There are discussion of instituting International Laws to stop ALL governments from these kinds of abuses.

If it had not been for Snowden and Greenwald, Der Spiegal, the Guardian and other good journalists, this might have taken even longer to achieve.

We NEED laws and since our own Government has abandoned the rule of law, re Wall St Crooks, War Criminals etc, many of us predicted that it would come from outside the US, which is shame. We should have been the LEADERS on this issues of Civil Rights and Liberties. But that is how far we have fallen as far as Moral Authority goes.

Now several countries, S. America eg, are working on not using any browsers from the US and creating their own internet.

Microsoft and other American corps are losing business all over the world.

This is GOOD for the people, not so good for unethical Corps or the architects of the these policies, Dick Cheney eg. It should have been spearheaded by our Government, instead we are now viewed as the rogues who made it necessary to begin talking about reigning in these people who are violating laws and morals.

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He, Der Spiegel, and many, many other news organizations sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #1
Since I began the OP title stating explicitly that the revelations were vital and necessary Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #2
I disagree completely Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #4
Change the bath water. Keep the baby. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author msanthrope Oct 2013 #5
I'm sympathetic to what you're saying. However, I don't understand the context of the dkf link. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #7
I'll take the fifth on that one. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Oct 2013 #25
It's a thinly veiled accusation/call out 1000words Oct 2013 #10
The exchange seems to be going just fine 1000words Oct 2013 #9
Been here a month, eh? Welcome to DU!!! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #12
It isn't and that is the point. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #14
When you say they "were" vital, can you give us a date when new revelations stopped being vital? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #15
Don't parse my statements out of context. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #17
Right. But which ones were the "earliest" revelations? Does it include July or only June? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #18
I'm not going to enumerate each revelation and discuss their individual minutae Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #19
Does the NSA have to spy on Presidents for economic reasons? Is that a principle you cherish? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #23
I'm not concerned about politicians. My concern is that free people remain as such. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #32
My question was in reference to your statement that he isn't 'doing it sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #20
Not everything that is learned is appropriate for publication. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #22
Much like the Zimmerman telegraph. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #26
How are they hurting the effort to reign in these horrendous abuses? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #24
Again, you're arguing as if I oppose all of the revelations. You would be wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #28
No, I'm asking how should a journalist report on a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #29
I never discussed "how." A fair reading of my every comment would show I only refer to the "what." Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #33
+100 nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #3
The Left DID so something! jazzimov Oct 2013 #16
Do you know what was done about Bush's illegal spying by Congress? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #30
This is the kind of common ground we need on DU. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #11
You mean the Brazilian and Mexican President should not have been told they were spied on? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #13
Well said, Nuclear Unicorn. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #21
sunlight is the ONLY real disinfectant.... mike_c Oct 2013 #27
You should ask the NSA to reveal you? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #31
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