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Tumbulu

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98. I am telling you that kids here clearly have no right to play with guns

Fri Oct 25, 2013, 09:46 PM

Oct 2013

Isn't it clear? There was an article in SFGate about the history of this, how many kids have been shot by the police over the past 25 years, for this same issue. They passed laws making sure that play guns looked like toys and the NRA got them overturned.

Here is the article:
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Police-killing-of-boy-renews-debate-on-toy-guns-4927090.php

Of course I do not think it is the ACTUAL right of the police to shoot people!!!!!

But if you don't get it that carrying around anything that looks like a gun in public will get you shot, you are foolish. Period. At least it is the history around here. Can that history be changed? Sure don';t we all hope so, but in the meantime for goodness sake, don't let your kids walk around with guns that look real. As I said all the parents that I know never let their kids near anything that resembles a gun for this reason.

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So, the 13 year old boy was shot 7 times by one cop [View all] morningfog Oct 2013 OP

Well obviously the only solution is to take away all toy guns. Rex Oct 2013 #1

We'll see what the lesson is. The rookie will probably learn its okay to murder morningfog Oct 2013 #2

Or maybe to never fire on children if they have a potential toy gun. Rex Oct 2013 #5

I'm hoping for yours too. morningfog Oct 2013 #6

Obviously, the lesson is� regnaD kciN Oct 2013 #134

The lack of empathy be a few here is horrible. Rex Oct 2013 #148

What the rookie learned ... lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #7

seriously Rex, why would anyone be walking around with any of these guns Tumbulu Oct 2013 #9

Because kids play with toys? Did you not ever own a toy gun as a kid? Rex Oct 2013 #11

never did and no one I know ever did Tumbulu Oct 2013 #14

Okay that makes sense. Rex Oct 2013 #16

of course I agree that it was a terrible Tumbulu Oct 2013 #20

I would be scared to death to let my child have a toy gun Rex Oct 2013 #23

What is militarized marijuana? Rex Oct 2013 #154

It is the illegal (vs the permitted) Tumbulu Oct 2013 #165

Real Gun RonAlps Oct 2013 #110

But it was a toy, is that too hard to understand? Rex Oct 2013 #151

I think kids play with toy guns most places. BainsBane Oct 2013 #117

And here we have the victim blaming MattBaggins Oct 2013 #41

I am not blaming the poor victim! Tumbulu Oct 2013 #100

And that is victim blaming. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #108

Why, you seriously cannot figure it out that police shoot people with guns? Tumbulu Oct 2013 #120

You seriously cannot figure out that many here have an issue with SEVEN bullets and a toy gun? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #121

So, you would let your kid run around with a play gun? Tumbulu Oct 2013 #125

I DID let my kid run around with a play gun (an airsoft rifle) with his friends. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #127

You clearly just want to fight and name call Tumbulu Oct 2013 #130

I have not called you one name. Please show me where I have or apologize. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #131

Well good for you that you live in such a nice place Tumbulu Oct 2013 #132

Victim blaming. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #133

Rights? good for you that you think rights can be gotten this way Tumbulu Oct 2013 #142

I expect police to make normal assessments. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #166

You do not seem to understand my stance Tumbulu Oct 2013 #167

do you know about the case of C.J. Grisham? alp227 Oct 2013 #75

It is all disgusting Tumbulu Oct 2013 #104

SO the child has no rights? That is rather extreme. Rex Oct 2013 #149

What is up Rex? Tumbulu Oct 2013 #164

Really? Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #17

toy guns are required to have a bright orange tip TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #19

You have no idea whether he would have been shot or not had he complied. EOTE Oct 2013 #22

A lot of people are conveniently leaving out those key facts Rex Oct 2013 #25

The smell of authoritarianism has been nauseating around here as of late. nt EOTE Oct 2013 #52

As of late? I would say since the Zimmerman trial. Rex Oct 2013 #55

Oh yeah, probably before then even. EOTE Oct 2013 #56

cops don't shoot people with no reason TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #95

Sure. Sometimes it's because they're angry. EOTE Oct 2013 #96

I DON'T defend the bad cops or bad anyone! TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #103

Applause. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #109

Not passing judgment? By making up shit about the autopsy? EOTE Oct 2013 #139

This is just getting better and better. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #140

Shame you can't use your beautiful mind to solve this case. EOTE Oct 2013 #141

God, please stop, I'm busting a gut reading this tripe. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #147

Almost as funny as your autopsy interpretation? EOTE Oct 2013 #150

So now you're down to Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #153

As far as I know, you never accused me of being illiterate, scientifically and otherwise. EOTE Oct 2013 #168

The fact that you defend a cop who shot a kid 7 times seconds after approaching him EOTE Oct 2013 #136

And we have yet another CSI wannabe incapable of simple comprehension? EOTE Oct 2013 #97

"The kid was also told to drop...." RIIIIIIGHT. Say the perp cops. As for the orange tip: It can be WinkyDink Oct 2013 #26

and if you remove the orange color you're asking for trouble TorchTheWitch Oct 2013 #92

That is nice and all, but the kid was never given a chance to do anything. Rex Oct 2013 #27

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #30

10 seconds...is all the time they gave him! atreides1 Oct 2013 #33

10 seconds is an eternity in a potentially violent situation... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #39

Waste of time, I just realized said poster has no inclination Rex Oct 2013 #45

Wrong. You seem to be the one with honesty problems. Rex Oct 2013 #37

Not in the slightest... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #40

Well if you act like an adult I will treat you like one. Rex Oct 2013 #42

I'm proud of you... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #46

No thanks you clearly have no idea what you are talking about Rex Oct 2013 #50

I think it's the child factor that makes you lose your ability to analyse this objectively... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #51

Like I said no thanks you clearly are mad that you cannot make a case Rex Oct 2013 #54

Give that one another go... You are literally just repeating back the words I said to you... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #60

Funny you seem to believe you can help Rex Oct 2013 #84

It's starting to get awkward... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #94

Wow how completely without wit you are. Rex Oct 2013 #144

Your condescending tone is obnoxious. morningfog Oct 2013 #112

More like obvious. Rex Oct 2013 #145

Trully Disqusting FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #28

Interesting if true... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #32

Keep your open mind, desire to have all the information and fact finding desires to yourself........ NM_Birder Oct 2013 #46

"Interesting" if true? Interesting? morningfog Oct 2013 #113

Have you thought about going outside? Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #114

Are you here just to goad and disrupt? No, don't answer that. lol. morningfog Oct 2013 #115

It wouldn't be hard for the deputy to cut the orange tip off the replica tularetom Oct 2013 #76

Occam's razor... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #77

It's plastic - he could have cut it off with a pocket knife as he knelt over the kid tularetom Oct 2013 #81

He could have put a little wig on the end and called it Sharon... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #93

Oh so now the witnesses might be reliable if it fits your narrative? Rex Oct 2013 #86

And the same statement applies to everyone else here, including you. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #87

Funny you want people to wait for all the fact first, but not yourself now. Rex Oct 2013 #89

No I haven't. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #90

Yes you and your buddies in this thread have totally failed to show any empathy. Rex Oct 2013 #146

they shot him in the back ? JI7 Oct 2013 #3

Pulled up behind him and shot him 7 times before he could even turn around. morningfog Oct 2013 #4

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2013 #35

Once again, that will be ignored by the pro death crowd here Rex Oct 2013 #38

Then why, according to the autopsy report, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #49

Even 1 shot to the back would be horrid, bottom line the kid wasn't a threat and even during shootin uponit7771 Oct 2013 #53

Nice dodge. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #57

Dodge of what?! Trying to minimize 7 shots to the back down to 5!?!?! Really!? As if 1 isn't bad uponit7771 Oct 2013 #59

The OP says NONE of the shots were to the back NickB79 Oct 2013 #62

Even worse IMHO, the side of the body is more narrow than the back... the cop had to be closer or he uponit7771 Oct 2013 #64

Since the gun was VERY realistic NickB79 Oct 2013 #72

The autopsy report doesn't say anything about 5x to the back. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #65

Head, back, knee finger.. the young man was doing nothing more than what open carry folk do uponit7771 Oct 2013 #67

So what happened to the shot 7x in the back claim? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #71

Where are you reading that there were 5 shots to the back? Captain Stern Oct 2013 #66

He as shot 5 times on the side of his body, that's even worse... the cop had to be closer to get tha uponit7771 Oct 2013 #68

That would be consistent with turning towards them, which is what the cops are saying happened. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #70

You're justifying unloading 7 shots into a kid a close range and I'm flailing?!?!?! WTF!? Seriously? uponit7771 Oct 2013 #73

I'm not justifying anything, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #74

Sounds to me like they shot with their eyes closed. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #8

When all you hear is "anyone with a gun is nut job killer, except the govt" it is no wonder they The Straight Story Oct 2013 #10

Played all day long with toy guns and bb guns in the 80s. Rex Oct 2013 #12

most who support gun control also know there are shitty killer cops JI7 Oct 2013 #15

Had that teen used a gun, more would probably be dead. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #24

awful..... glinda Oct 2013 #13

Why is it okay for rednecks in Texas to walk around with assault rifles in stores Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #18

it is very regional, in this part of the country Tumbulu Oct 2013 #21

That just isn't true. I live in Northern California. Kids with toy guns and BB guns is not uncommon. Throd Oct 2013 #29

Your attitude is disgusting DragonBorn Oct 2013 #63

I am telling you that kids here clearly have no right to play with guns Tumbulu Oct 2013 #98

I'll just shut you down at your first paragraph, ok? If the cops around there are SUFFERING SO BADLY Ghost in the Machine Oct 2013 #116

I have to agree that this is pretty disgusting gollygee Oct 2013 #69

Children who play with toy guns have the right to be shot by the police...? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #79

I gave up, trying to get people to understand what is perfectly normal Rex Oct 2013 #88

No, taken out of context Tumbulu Oct 2013 #99

Bull crap. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #101

You are in Southern California Tumbulu Oct 2013 #105

My sister-in-law is from Northern California... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #106

I am not defending a murderer Tumbulu Oct 2013 #118

...and girls should not wear provocative clothing... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #119

Actually, the victim had an automatic weapon play gun without the distinguishing orange cap Tumbulu Oct 2013 #123

Victim blaming. SEVEN bullets. Cop's a murderer. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #124

You are accusing me of defending the police? Tumbulu Oct 2013 #126

I don't need to. You've defended the actions of the police by blaming the victim. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #128

2nd amendment is a whites only law that's why, most of them are white uponit7771 Oct 2013 #34

Yep. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #36

+1 gollygee Oct 2013 #58

Not if you're a minority kid and the gun is fake. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #107

In addition to what the others said.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #44

SMH Mr Dixon Oct 2013 #31

Man, there is a lot of victim-blaming going on here. n/t MindPilot Oct 2013 #43

Pretty sick ain't it? Rex Oct 2013 #48

Did you see that upthread? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #122

Yes, just now. Most of that was added after I posted. Emesis basin worthy for sure. MindPilot Oct 2013 #137

Yes, horrible. Rex Oct 2013 #143

That's why I am not commenting much. I am having Trayvon Martin flashbacks. n/t vaberella Oct 2013 #102

So he WASN'T shot in the back after all? NickB79 Oct 2013 #61

Even the cops do not claim he aimed the gun at them. ieoeja Oct 2013 #83

I never said he pointed the gun at the cops NickB79 Oct 2013 #91

Any chance that toy had the red cap on the muzzle at the time of the shooting? Duer 157099 Oct 2013 #78

It had been removed, whether by the kid or someone else is unknown at this time. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #80

The kid's friend said it came off while playing NickB79 Oct 2013 #82

Which would mean a death sentence for this poor kid. Rex Oct 2013 #85

Personally, I think an orange cap is far too little for these "toys" NickB79 Oct 2013 #158

Hell if cops are out there killing children for running around with toy guns Rex Oct 2013 #159

I can't really blame the cops much in this situation NickB79 Oct 2013 #161

I agree a total clusterfuck. Rex Oct 2013 #163

I think I see a lawsuit coming exboyfil Oct 2013 #135

A lawsuit wouldn't be successful NickB79 Oct 2013 #160

Agree completely exboyfil Oct 2013 #162

The PoliceOne community weighs in pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #111

Was it the Seven of Cops? Jeffersons Ghost Oct 2013 #129

urban areas to many police low crime NikRik Oct 2013 #138

Results of Police unfairly targeting Hispanics in that Neighborhood FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #152

I wonder if defacto7 Oct 2013 #155

Shooter was 24yr Veteran of the Sheriffs Dept. FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #156

I guess I'm skimming the OP too much. defacto7 Oct 2013 #157