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[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]The DU Community Standards state: "It is the responsibility of all DU members to participate in a manner that promotes a positive atmosphere and encourages good discussions among a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints."

Based on the ToS and Community standards in their entirity, I feel like DU is for liberal and left of center democrats. Disagreement on an issue or two is fine. It is a rather broadminded and liberal policy for a partisan political message board.

Though I am often shocked at some of the conservative views I find on here. ESPECIALLY when it comes to purity tests.

It is anything BUT liberal to demand 100% ideological purity. Liberals are about fairness and equality. Conservatives are the ones who are about authority and purity.

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Contrary to popular opinion, DU is supposed to be for politically *liberal* people. Either that or [View all] Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 OP

My MSNBC score said I was a Bleeding Heart Liberal. So I guess I'm welcome here Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #1

Your MSNBC score? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #4

Disagree. The most liberal view is against that stuff. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #5

That is exactly what I meant the post to say RobertEarl Oct 2013 #12

To which I object. One example of why I posted this. Either this site is for liberals and we have Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #21

It is in constant flux RobertEarl Oct 2013 #31

The TOS seems to think so, if you believe that DU is for preachers. As someone else said, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #64

I think that is what RobertEarl was saying! sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #79

You are correct. I misunderstood which "outer edges" s/he was referring to. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #88

most all of us support some level of spying. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #6

what about the militia movement? Or neo-Nazi groups? nt el_bryanto Oct 2013 #7

I was more referring to the recent broad swath spying on vast reams of MANY Americans' data. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #9

nods - just curious - i agree that the broad brush stuff is really something they should stop el_bryanto Oct 2013 #14

You're simply taking your personal view and labeling anyone with a more moderate view treestar Oct 2013 #242

Nevertherless, it seems to me that if the TOS for an entire site says the site is for "liberals," Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #10

I think we all have the idea of what it means Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #13

There are a heck of a lot of posts here lately espousing points of view that I believe most liberals Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #26

then it would probably be good to point that out to the posters in a case by case Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #28

That would be extremely inefficient. Not to mention, specific to me. I did not write the TOS. I'd Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #75

We absolutely do not all have the same idea of what it means. cui bono Oct 2013 #52

I have been thinking the same thing. Maybe Liberal doesn't mean exactly what I think it means, or Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #78

Normally, liberal covers a scope of ideas. By definition, "liberal" is not a rigid term. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #128

None of that is new to me, yet I am still wonder what definition of liberal is meant in the DU TOS. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #173

It's a matter of recognizing how other people think treestar Oct 2013 #243

Maybe there's something wrong with it or maybe not, but the TOS does label and exclude certain Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #440

True but then labeling people with those labels treestar Oct 2013 #457

There IS that part of the TOS that states Volaris Oct 2013 #97

Nope. At least that's not what the TOS says. If I say, and I repeat my self, that my club is Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #115

that's what jumps out at me....there have been NUMEROUS violations of that! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #123

Define what you enlightenment Oct 2013 #266

It means within the political framework....DEMOCRATS....not Anarchy.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #312

Thank you. enlightenment Oct 2013 #415

Very interesting treestar Oct 2013 #245

I think you are right on the mark with that. zeemike Oct 2013 #103

More like redefninition. Maedhros Oct 2013 #113

Notice how the R's fans the fire of their most rightward faction and it gets attention and gets cui bono Oct 2013 #116

Or, they are afraid of embracing liberals. They may support quite leftward liberal Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #120

Agreed. The monied interests benefit by political shifts to the right, not the left. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #251

Yep. This site would be a lot more Democratic if those types were tombstoned. cui bono Oct 2013 #344

^^^^^^^This is the correct answer^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2013 #347

I definitely agree that watering down, or G_j Oct 2013 #289

In an endless downward spiral, the drift to the right also makes it more likely that Right-leaners Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #444

Such as "Social Security is unsustainable" [n/t] Maedhros Oct 2013 #111

I know, right. How many times does that have to be debunked? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #445

The Bell Curve? Oilwellian Oct 2013 #38

do you know anything about statistics? then you will know most populations Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #43

The population in question must be defined. Otherwise, you have a bell curve that describes all Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #83

We don't know anything of the sort. We do assume that a lot. We also assume randomness a lot. bemildred Oct 2013 #238

Yes, one must be careful with assumptions but your Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #255

I have a B.A. in Math and and M.S. in Computer Science. bemildred Oct 2013 #261

+ about a million. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #446

Thank you. ntg bemildred Oct 2013 #450

Here, this is what I mean: bemildred Oct 2013 #480

Well I've just lost all faith in MSNBC. cui bono Oct 2013 #48

Here's the test: GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #286

So was mine ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #512

That's a whole different beast there. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #2

That's the key though. Establishment liberals versus more liberal progressives. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #27

I noticed that also about dkf Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #29

It also depends on what the definition of right wing talking points are - el_bryanto Oct 2013 #3

Well, again, maybe that needs a definition as well. The writers of the TOS included, "Teabaggers Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #17

nods- but those talk about specific types of Conservatives el_bryanto Oct 2013 #23

Perhaps, but many of those viewpoints that are not necessarily right wing are also clearly not Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #30

The problem is that somewhere it states that this site is to support Dems cui bono Oct 2013 #60

Not a disconnect in terms of DU membership requirements. If I say a club is for teens who like to Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #106

OK - but again el_bryanto Oct 2013 #254

So-called 'free trade' is not liberal. It's not even correctly named as it is not free trade at all. cui bono Oct 2013 #346

Thank you for proving my point el_bryanto Oct 2013 #351

Well there are a lot of people who call themselves liberal when they really are not. cui bono Oct 2013 #358

There is a litmus test here - but it's not very long el_bryanto Oct 2013 #359

I don't disagree with that. As long as the regulations have in them something about limited size cui bono Oct 2013 #362

Not being in favor of marriage equality as a "litmus test" for DU is VERY recent MNBrewer Oct 2013 #375

I think I love you. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #447

I know. So, the question is, what does the TOS mean by the term "liberal". Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #438

is it more accruate to say that the system that pays them and helps keep them ELECTED Volaris Oct 2013 #110

Well they do say things and support things and vote for things that aren't liberal cui bono Oct 2013 #122

is that a problem that can be adressed and corrected from WITHIN that same system, IYO? Volaris Oct 2013 #132

Possibly. If the election system were overhauled. cui bono Oct 2013 #340

Yes, I agree, that is definitely at the root of the confusion Dragonfli Oct 2013 #117

Disagree Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #181

I think this journal entry covers that . . . HughBeaumont Oct 2013 #471

Good luck with your definition... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #8

I'm anti-abortion, but I still NEVER vote for a Rethug. I don't always vote for Dems either. Th1onein Oct 2013 #11

you can be anti-abortion without being anti-choice Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #15

True that. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #18

You can call me anti-choice or anti-abortion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #51

So you don't support the right of women to control their bodies. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #102

I do not support abortion, period. You are framing it in your way, from an INFERENCE that you make. Th1onein Oct 2013 #112

I support third trimester abortions. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #135

Are you talking about unrestricted third trimester abortions? LittleBlue Oct 2013 #194

Yes, I am. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #357

I am in your camp, Th1onein, as are many longtime Democrats. No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #186

And in the case of ectopic pregnancies? NickB79 Oct 2013 #236

Do some more research on this... Agschmid Oct 2013 #262

Ectopic pregnancies are sometimes found before they rupture, in which case it is ended before to uppityperson Oct 2013 #272

Obviously, no one could carry an ectopic pregnancy to term. Th1onein Oct 2013 #318

Luckily, the law allows that. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #363

I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Th1onein Oct 2013 #364

No one?? There have been quite a few ectopic pregnancies that resulted in live births. REP Oct 2013 #389

I will not personally engage in or supporty a specific abortion on my own moral grounds hooverville29 Oct 2013 #285

I call you a hypocrite unless you have your name on the list for LIVE organ transplant. idwiyo Oct 2013 #239

She isn't listed; claims no one would want her organs. REP Oct 2013 #390

But of course! "All life is sacred" BUT hers is most sacred of all! Damn hypocrite. idwiyo Oct 2013 #402

Interesting thought exercise - Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #525

Agree completely. Well said. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #71

Are you opposed to the practice of abortion or are you opposed to the legality of abortion? nt el_bryanto Oct 2013 #16

Well, she calls women who've had abortions "murderers" REP Oct 2013 #22

Directly - or just by implication as in her post above? el_bryanto Oct 2013 #25

See my post #264 n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #265

Directly. REP Oct 2013 #388

Do you have a link to an example? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #143

I searched, here's some examples tammywammy Oct 2013 #264

Unfucking real. JTFrog Oct 2013 #268

No shit^ Caretha Oct 2013 #406

True that. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #416

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #527

Thank you. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #319

Both. Th1onein Oct 2013 #53

Than you should probably find another board that fits you better. nt el_bryanto Oct 2013 #252

I fit in just fine here, el_bryanto, but thanks for your advice. Th1onein Oct 2013 #302

If you feel like Abortion should be legally proscribed - you don't really fit in around here el_bryanto Oct 2013 #314

Well, thank you for your opinion, but I'm here. Th1onein Oct 2013 #316

THIS is why I love it around here. Volaris Oct 2013 #121

Holy shit. You're seriously anti-abortion? What the hell are you doing here? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #24

Or is it? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #33

I've never actually seen anyone say they were anti-abortion on here before. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #36

Actually, Gravitycollapse, I think that there are a lot of people who consider themselves liberal Th1onein Oct 2013 #67

I'm more concerned with the mother than with a zygote or embryo or fetus. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #76

This is where we differ: Where life begins. Th1onein Oct 2013 #82

Would you ProSense Oct 2013 #86

Yes. But I would also put other things into place, at the same time. Th1onein Oct 2013 #100

If you are attempting to make yourself sound noble for disparaging female autonomy... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #105

No one is disparaging female autonomy. Are you serious? Th1onein Oct 2013 #109

Being anti-abortion is being anti-autonomy. The two go hand in hand. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #138

It certainly is a right, but there is also the right of the child to live. Th1onein Oct 2013 #142

A fertilised egg is not a child. Nor is a zygote. Nor is an embryo. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #193

I guess you also support mandatory live organ donation. idwiyo Oct 2013 #211

Wow. That really hit me. I never really heard it expressed that way. cui bono Oct 2013 #370

Logical conclusion to anti-choicer's claim that "every life is sacred". Wonder how many people died idwiyo Oct 2013 #403

Please define "Life" as you are using it here. It has different meanings and hence use and I would uppityperson Oct 2013 #274

This position makes no sense. ProSense Oct 2013 #119

Sorry, but you're wrong. Th1onein Oct 2013 #124

You support repealing Roe v Wade ProSense Oct 2013 #126

Sex education is NOTHING like abstinence education. Th1onein Oct 2013 #133

It was not a literal comparison. ProSense Oct 2013 #137

Just education, ProSense? See? That's dishonest. Th1onein Oct 2013 #145

Again, ProSense Oct 2013 #154

Whatever, Prosense. If I don't respond to you again? Well, you know the deal..... Th1onein Oct 2013 #159

But you think someone has a right to legislate that a woman carry to term and birth a child. cui bono Oct 2013 #372

You don't get to define life. RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #260

I'd like her to define "Life" for us as I think she is using it in a different way, different defini uppityperson Oct 2013 #276

"YOU believe, however, that life does not begin at conception" WHAT is "life"? uppityperson Oct 2013 #275

WTF. What about if I don't want a damn baby?! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #378

Roe v. Wade wasn't the beginning of women having abortions. JTFrog Oct 2013 #493

Our little noble hero thinks ova and sperm are dead before they meet in a uterus REP Oct 2013 #393

You have to understand that your are denying female autonomy. And that is misogyny. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #87

I'm pro-choice and I think life begins at conception Recursion Oct 2013 #91

This is where I am, which is why I always say I'm against abortion for myself. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #93

I understand what you're saying, ScreamingMeemie, but we impose our belief systems upon others every Th1onein Oct 2013 #114

No we don't. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #150

When you pay taxes, you are supporting war. Th1onein Oct 2013 #153

I am also anti-war...You are really stretching here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #156

All laws affect others, ScreamingMeemie. All of them. Th1onein Oct 2013 #158

Good night Th1onein. You're being deliberately obtuse when it comes to dictating ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #160

Good night, ScreamingMeemie. I'm sorry you cannot understand. Th1onein Oct 2013 #170

I understand completely... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #171

I know that you think you understand, but you do not. Th1onein Oct 2013 #175

No, I do. And it scares the crap out of me. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #182

The only Duer to rec it. Whoah. uppityperson Oct 2013 #281

I think I know which post you are talking about, and the title of the post wasn't the subject of the Th1onein Oct 2013 #301

Drop the condescension. It's bad enough you are against women's rights cui bono Oct 2013 #373

Doesn't everyone think that their position is reasonable? I'm no more condescending than anyone who Th1onein Oct 2013 #427

But life as in a viable human life outside the womb, does not begin at conception. cui bono Oct 2013 #433

I am not being condescending. Especially when people ignore what I am saying and only lob insults. Th1onein Oct 2013 #436

Verbally abusive and lobbing insults? Where? cui bono Oct 2013 #441

Let me quote you: Th1onein Oct 2013 #455

Oh bullshit. JTFrog Oct 2013 #458

I don't expect anyone to jump on my bandwagon. But I do expect polite discourse. Th1onein Oct 2013 #468

Words fail me. Describing your behavior in terms you do not like is an insult and personal attack? uppityperson Oct 2013 #464

That was the very first post to you and I wouldn't consider it "verbally abusive". cui bono Oct 2013 #467

Cui Bono, we disagree. I actually think that this position is very consistent with the liberal Th1onein Oct 2013 #469

Statistics? I don't believe that liberals are anti-choice. cui bono Oct 2013 #472

There are actually a group of liberals, Democrats for Life, who are against abortion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #474

Dems are not necessarily liberal though. Do you have stats as to percentage of liberals cui bono Oct 2013 #475

Democrats aren't liberal? Wow. Th1onein Oct 2013 #478

That surprises you? There's quite a political spectrum. cui bono Oct 2013 #479

And Al Gore isn't liberal, either, huh? Th1onein Oct 2013 #483

Where did I say that? Anyway, did you have a link to statistics of anti-choice liberals? cui bono Oct 2013 #488

What would be the point? Does it matter? I don't think it does. Th1onein Oct 2013 #492

The point is you claimed there are many liberals who are anti-choice. cui bono Oct 2013 #494

I think you may have missed my edits. Th1onein Oct 2013 #495

How many of those Democrats for "life" are on mandatory live organ donation list? idwiyo Oct 2013 #498

Sorry, Idwiyo, in order to buy into your argument, I'd have to agree with your paradigm. Th1onein Oct 2013 #504

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #506

If you're here to lob insults, I'm not listening. If you are here to discuss this issue, you need Th1onein Oct 2013 #510

About 40% of Dems self-describe as pro-life. I think that's a pretty substantial number. Th1onein Oct 2013 #505

You originally said liberals. Not Dems. Not the same thing. n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #511

That's right. You don't think Dems are liberals. Th1onein Oct 2013 #513

Yes it is silly. You can't even acknowledge that there are moderate Dems who aren't liberal. cui bono Oct 2013 #516

You don't HAVE to change your position Th1onein Oct 2013 #519

If you want me to change my framing away from making it a women's rights issue it ain't gonna happen cui bono Oct 2013 #520

You've got to be able to see the other side's viewpoint, though. Th1onein Oct 2013 #521

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Oct 2013 #522

I do see the other side. That's a big part of why I feel the way I do. cui bono Oct 2013 #523

I'll get you a link and you can peruse it. It's got statistics on it. Th1onein Oct 2013 #524

That poster has been very polite and slung no insults. Condescending is also saying someone who uppityperson Oct 2013 #463

Thank you. cui bono Oct 2013 #473

Do you pay taxes and support war? Why or how do you manage to pay no taxes? uppityperson Oct 2013 #280

Now you equate paying taxes with supporting your child financially? What law says we have to respect uppityperson Oct 2013 #279

I take it then you refuse to pay any taxes, correct? uppityperson Oct 2013 #278

I wish I were brave enough to take a stand on this. Th1onein Oct 2013 #320

I see. So you deny women the right to an abortion for morality, but are ok funding wars that kill uppityperson Oct 2013 #323

I think that is really sad, Recursion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #130

None of those infringe on bodily autonomy or require one to risk one's life Recursion Oct 2013 #134

Both of those laws require us to intervene, and yes, in a dangerous situation sometimes. Th1onein Oct 2013 #140

"choice should begin before a person has unprotected sex"? what about in cases of rape or contracept uppityperson Oct 2013 #282

Come on, now, uppityperson! I have not ever called anyone a "damn slut." Geez. Th1onein Oct 2013 #322

I notice you didn't answer any of my questions. Try again, I'll rephrase it to take out those words. uppityperson Oct 2013 #324

I don't think that either rape or contraceptive failure is a choice. Of course not. Th1onein Oct 2013 #327

You are fine legislating that raped women and those pregnant by contraceptive failure must try and uppityperson Oct 2013 #329

I said abortion should not be used as a method of birth control. Th1onein Oct 2013 #334

Will you define "life" since there are many meanings and I want to hear yours? Thank you. uppityperson Oct 2013 #337

Please read my other posts for answers to your questions. Th1onein Oct 2013 #341

I have and did not see it. I understand you well. uppityperson Oct 2013 #343

Most would agree because they've bought RW talking points pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #382

So you believe a women who is raped and impregnated should be forced to carry to term. cui bono Oct 2013 #374

I'm sure since Caretha Oct 2013 #410

You don't get to decide when life begins so suggest you put a lid on it. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #418

So should women who've had abortions be charged with murder? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #376

There are people who don't support gay marriage posting here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #73

What argument do they give for their position? Th1onein Oct 2013 #147

Typically religious. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #148

Kind of silly, I think. Th1onein Oct 2013 #155

It is a choice not supported by religion or morals. Rather like your take on abortion. uppityperson Oct 2013 #283

I will not participate in or support a specific abortion myself, and believe others hooverville29 Oct 2013 #287

We have a poster who says 'gay marriage is unthinkable' Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #290

HolyFuckingShit. I am speechless. Seriously, what the fuck next? idwiyo Oct 2013 #404

to be fair, that was 9 years ago. I'd like to hear if they feel the same now. Hmmm, they posted toda uppityperson Oct 2013 #408

See, that right there, for me, is hugely anti-liberal. What the bible says should not matter in Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #448

That was NINE years ago, I asked them if they had changed their mind and got this to share. uppityperson Oct 2013 #485

Given post 485, I think you might want to consider deleting your accusation. msanthrope Nov 2013 #528

I am a woman, and I am also a radical feminist. And I am against abortion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #58

You are not a radical feminist AND against abortion. Those two are mutually exclusive issues. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Oct 2013 #89

I'm sorry, but you do not define me or my politics. I am both a radical feminist and anti-abortion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #90

Yes, I'm sure there must be tens of you. And you all misappropriate the term "feminism." Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #96

Gravitycollapse, I have always had tons of respect for you. Have some for me. Th1onein Oct 2013 #107

I'm going to mull this entire thing over night. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #141

Well, thank you for that, Gravitycollapse. Th1onein Oct 2013 #144

After reading the thread, I wanted to put in my 2 cents. Mother Of Four Oct 2013 #205

Well said! Spazito Oct 2013 #256

There is nothing that is black or white here. Th1onein Oct 2013 #300

"But we must work towards ending abortion." Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #412

Do they vote for Democratic candidates, too? Th1onein Oct 2013 #417

Good for you. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #420

It's actually NOT conservative. Th1onein Oct 2013 #425

Oh yes... Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #459

+1 tammywammy Oct 2013 #461

Not a good argument for your position. EVERYONE ELSE thinks such and such.....sorry, doesn't fly. Th1onein Oct 2013 #470

You cannot be a liberal and pro-life. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #482

There are quite a few liberals who would disagree with you. Th1onein Oct 2013 #484

Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #491

Bravo! Well said, Mother of Four. historylovr Oct 2013 #306

I've slept on it and have concluded there is no possible way to be a progressive... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #326

+1000000000000000000000000 uppityperson Oct 2013 #330

I'm sorry you came to that conclusion. There are many progressives that would disagree with you. Th1onein Oct 2013 #335

Uh huh. uppityperson Oct 2013 #342

A progressive who is anti-abortion is a progressive by name only. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #361

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But that is all that it is. Th1onein Oct 2013 #365

Being pro-choice is foundational to the progressive movement. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #368

That is what you wish to believe. Good luck with it. Th1onein Oct 2013 #369

+1 Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #481

There is no respect to be had for your postion. JTFrog Oct 2013 #207

Why should we have respect for your opinion denying women the right to a safe, legal, hygienic abort uppityperson Oct 2013 #284

I somehow got the idea that you are male. Quantess Oct 2013 #191

I'm a woman. Th1onein Oct 2013 #311

Thanks. Actually I was asking Gravity Collapse, not you. Quantess Oct 2013 #367

Is it appropriate for a male to call himself a "radical feminist"? Quantess Oct 2013 #197

Yes it is possible for a male to be a radical feminist. Although highly unlikely... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #321

I only asked, because you say you're a "radical feminist". Quantess Oct 2013 #371

I live up to it. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #379

Not true. *CHOICE* is advocated for each woman, not a predetermination of what the choice should be. hooverville29 Oct 2013 #288

You are a very interesting person LittleBlue Oct 2013 #202

No one has asked whether what this supporter of all life would do if the life of the child Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #213

For me, the life of the mother comes before anything else LittleBlue Oct 2013 #217

I think that, in that case, it is the mother's decision. Th1onein Oct 2013 #317

When the mother is unconscious and the decision must be made immediately? Either option is equally Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #426

I really don't know the answer to that question, but I would veer in the direction of saving the Th1onein Oct 2013 #428

Thanks for the reply. So dictating the use of a person's body part(s) to support a life is not the Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #435

I think that they are radically different from each other. Th1onein Oct 2013 #456

Did you even read that post? "A" is radically different from "A" and "most people" would agree? uppityperson Oct 2013 #501

If a pg woman were unconcious and dying, you would "probably" save her life by an abortion if that uppityperson Oct 2013 #500

Ask them their definition of "life", would you. Since it has been thrown out undefined, if you would uppityperson Oct 2013 #465

Thank you, LittleBlue. Th1onein Oct 2013 #315

In a case where the mother's life depends on aborting the fetus, who dies by your rules? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #216

Let me flip this for you: pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #381

Radical feminist Caretha Oct 2013 #411

There was a quote from Sam Waterson's character in Law and Order. moriah Oct 2013 #229

I have always been anti-abortion. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #39

Anti-abortion, anti-war, anti-death penalty is a pro-life ethic RFKHumphreyObama Oct 2013 #178

Screw anyone who wants to impose their beliefs on my right to chose what to do with my body. idwiyo Oct 2013 #201

I have a big problem with calling an anti-abortion stance a "pro-life ethic," truebluegreen Oct 2013 #292

Absolutely, RFKHumphreyObama. The fact is that NO ONE is pro-abortion. Th1onein Oct 2013 #325

Sometimes abortion is preferred to continuing the pregnancy. And it IS a women's right issue. uppityperson Oct 2013 #328

We disagree. Th1onein Oct 2013 #336

Obviously. You call abortion homicide and women who get them murders and yourself a radical feminist uppityperson Oct 2013 #339

I'm pro-abortion. tammywammy Oct 2013 #332

Sure you are. Th1onein Oct 2013 #338

I am. tammywammy Oct 2013 #345

I am also. That's why I have spent a lot of my career working & volunteering at reproductive health uppityperson Oct 2013 #348

I'm glad you got the chance to air your views. Th1onein Oct 2013 #349

No shit. tammywammy Oct 2013 #350

I'm not going to argue with you. We clearly disagree. But if you want to continue to air Th1onein Oct 2013 #352

Yes, we do clearly disagree. tammywammy Oct 2013 #353

Those are your beliefs and you are entitled to them. As I am to mine. Now, we are done. Th1onein Oct 2013 #366

never mind uppityperson Oct 2013 #356

Amen sister. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #401

I believe abortion is a moral choice... JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #209

You said "I know many good dems who don't want abortion to be legal" DURHAM D Oct 2013 #421

I have a few strong Catholic friends. JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #507

This issue is what changed my repub mom into a strong Democrat. If you vote or work to restrict uppityperson Oct 2013 #502

I know a lot of progressives Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #225

Yep, women's rights always take a back seat to everything else. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #354

You shouldn't be banned Bradical79 Oct 2013 #271

You're anti-abortion? What are you doing posting on a Democratic site? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #413

Alas those of us who are liberals nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #19

the most no-holds-barred place I ever posted was DU circa 2004 Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #20

When did you first become a member of DU? nt Zorra Oct 2013 #66

either late spring or early summer of 2003 Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #68

I know what you mean Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #35

Things that leave you puzzled nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #41

And lightly salted Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #47

Which one is the other? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #46

Updating: Should gun-banning "neutralize" abortion banning? Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #161

Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #263

Hmm. I see a membership requirement in DU's future: Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #267

The latter to trigger purges nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #277

the definition of liberal is liberally applied nt SwampG8r Oct 2013 #32

All too liberally, imnsho. So, I'd like to know if certain posters who I don't think are liberals Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #40

as much as it hurts me to agree with him SwampG8r Oct 2013 #61

So, a person who is anti-abortion, anti-food stamps, anti-regulation, anti-equal rights, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #70

the person you describe is delusional SwampG8r Oct 2013 #92

On this site, whoever owns it and controls it has that right. I just wish they'd be clear Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #146

You win the thread. Brilliant. Volaris Oct 2013 #151

Have you checked with Ask the Administrators for clarification? or is this argument sufficient? Hekate Oct 2013 #34

What is "Ask the Administrators"? Is that in the TOS? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #42

Here Hekate Oct 2013 #198

Thank you. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #234

*facepalm* n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #203

You've got over 20,000 posts. You can't expect newer members to know everything you know about DU. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #449

Maybe you should get a little more DU knowledge under your belt before drawing lines. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #497

same here. some fail to see they have a very narrow definition of "liberal" Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #59

Apparently the OP thinks the DU-TOS is Holy Writ, and he's the prophet who interprets it Hekate Oct 2013 #212

Interesting. You choose to *interpret* my words to mean something I did not say or mean, and you Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #451

LOL Hekate Oct 2013 #477

Good advice, Hekate~ Cha Oct 2013 #74

+1 freshwest Oct 2013 #136

great advice nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #219

Doing so is currently notable only by its absense - just checked ATA. dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #232

+10^10^100 stevenleser Oct 2013 #247

I'm to the left of President Obama, but I am a partisan first. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #37

How does that apply to the part of the TOS I cited? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #44

Because I think when people take positions in line with a democratic President... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #50

A pass for what? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #149

They do "get a pass." ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #157

They should get a pass enlightenment Oct 2013 #270

Partisan for what? Oilwellian Oct 2013 #49

Wowie! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #65

With one little modification, no one disputes that. stevenleser Oct 2013 #295

Seems to me you are being selective jazzimov Oct 2013 #45

If an anti-abortion, anti-GLBT Dem can take a GOP seat leftstreet Oct 2013 #56

If that's the Democrat running, absolutely. You know Kucinich was anti-choice until '04, right? Recursion Oct 2013 #81

Something like that would certainly make DU lively n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #94

Well, if we take back the House, it will be through anti-choice blue dogs Recursion Oct 2013 #104

The 50-state strategy under the leadership of Dr. Dean had TWO parts though-- Volaris Oct 2013 #168

True, but no plan survives contact with the enemy Recursion Oct 2013 #179

Fair enough challenge to the fact that I offered more of an opinion than a fact Volaris Oct 2013 #183

[i]This would be in italics in a message text[/i] Recursion Oct 2013 #187

LOl @ the buttons. DERP!!! but thanks for the keyboard command anyway=) Volaris Oct 2013 #192

Another cool button thing: highlight some text and click one of them Recursion Oct 2013 #215

My goal is to get the most progressive Democrat elected MineralMan Oct 2013 #269

Like this guy: ProSense Oct 2013 #108

Yeah, I'm selecting a specific part of the TOS that says a specific thing. Those other things Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #57

Spin all you want, the TOS means that jazzimov Oct 2013 #129

I'm not spinning anything. If you are trying to say that "DU is for politically liberal people" Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #177

As I posted above, this is where the problem lies. The elected Dems and the ones who are "allowed" cui bono Oct 2013 #69

They want us to betray our ideals in favor of Party unity. Maedhros Oct 2013 #127

Actually, I think they are looking for those whose ideals jazzimov Oct 2013 #131

I believe it goes beyond that. Maedhros Oct 2013 #310

Actually, enlightenment Oct 2013 #54

Correct, but it would be crazy to call a site Democratic Underground if it's not for Democrats. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #184

CS says differently, it is Democratic Underground, not Liberal Underground, Skip Intro Oct 2013 #55

One of the very first sentences in the TOS is begins this way: Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #162

Most people have mixed opinions creeksneakers2 Oct 2013 #62

Perhaps the thought police would be kind enough to hand out BlueStreak Oct 2013 #80

and take it a step further Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #98

Sounds like you want less Democrats elected. That is against the TOS, too. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #169

no, I am just Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #172

That's really pouty. If you believe in liberal policies, you should vote for politicians who also Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #185

look up thread Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #206

First of all, what you said has nothing to do with what I said. I will repeat: Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #220

Who died and left you in charge of being the arbiter BlueStreak Oct 2013 #305

Lol! Who died and took your reading comprehension skills with them? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #424

Don't be silly. Anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal is one. Magic wand. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #167

Yes, the TOS contains a number of types of people who are not welcome. You should read it. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #164

Who decides what a RW talking point is anymore? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #63

I support free trade agreements and the Citizens United decision. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #99

I don't feel like I understand enough economics treestar Oct 2013 #244

If there are no differences, then there should be no separate parties. They will totally have to Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #188

CatsUnderground... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #189

It's called the Internet... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #226

Brilliant. nt riqster Oct 2013 #253

I would rather not have liberal purity tests, ZombieHorde Oct 2013 #72

I don't even think the real clashes are about degree of liberalness, but about pragmatism vs. Recursion Oct 2013 #85

+1 JoePhilly Oct 2013 #246

I agree. I think that is a huge part of it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #298

Who's to say what's liberal, even some of the time? Do we have a definition or not? If you Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #190

The actual book definitions of "Liberal" and "Progressive" are themselves broad. stevenleser Oct 2013 #299

Depends on the book. And many would not consider Wikipedia "the book." Nevertheless, DU's TOS Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #432

Actually DU is for all types of liberals and all types of Democrats Recursion Oct 2013 #77

That seems to be the best summation that's been put forward yet to my mind. Volaris Oct 2013 #165

The TOS specifically says it's for liberals. So, that would mean not for Democrats who are not Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #196

Wait, you think Democratic Underground would be for a liberal Green... SidDithers Oct 2013 #294

You think that I think that? I never said that. My most recent thought about what the TOS says is Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #434

Keep reading LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #95

+1 freshwest Oct 2013 #139

Since the first sentence of the TOS specifies that DU is for "politically liberal people," Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #195

are we going to back to the political purity days dlwickham Oct 2013 #101

Kind of harsh calling what you think bullshit, but hey, feel free to discredit Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #199

I've been on here for a long time dlwickham Oct 2013 #291

Again, you react to your incorrect interpretation of my words. If you were really good at spotting Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #437

I don't care who posts on here dlwickham Oct 2013 #462

Wow, who knew that a troll getting banned would bring out such honesty? ProSense Oct 2013 #118

Be prepared to get blasted for your "purity" test and "Oh, so YOU should get to decide what's Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #204

Perhaps some reading comprehension might help you intaglio Oct 2013 #125

Seriously. You think you made a point? Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #208

Where in your quote from the TOS does it mention Democrats? intaglio Oct 2013 #227

Democratic Underground is where I got the word on which you focus here, but that was not the focus Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #230

In other words your original OP was rubbish intaglio Oct 2013 #235

You seem to be the one who wants to tell other people what they mean. Whoever wrote the TOS Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #439

You were the one asking for the TOS to be changed intaglio Oct 2013 #442

No. I said if the TOS doesn't mean what it says, it should be changed to reflect Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #443

i.e. you want them changed to reflect what you think they should mean intaglio Oct 2013 #452

Again, no. You're just making shit up. Nothing to do with me. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #454

Quoting your original OP intaglio Oct 2013 #460

This may or may not fit in with the TOS, but I haven't seen anything about We People Oct 2013 #152

I like your concept. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #210

Dang. I'm taking some time off, but I've been lurking...who could completely abstain after 8 years? cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #163

I tried it once... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #166

... cherokeeprogressive Oct 2013 #180

Well, someone has to do it. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #224

good to see you back, cherokeeprogressive ! I really thought you were a "goner" steve2470 Oct 2013 #214

Interesting that you think my OP says things it does not say, but hey, you obviously wanted to be Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #222

+1 NutmegYankee Oct 2013 #259

Especially when those Right Wing talking points are from such an extreme Right Wing. nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #174

Is there a litmus test? JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #176

Nice of you to misinterpret my OP to fit your own image of what you feel like railing against. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #200

I was being a wise guy there, and I'm sorry. JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #221

Apology accepted. You say you let the system take care of the far right posters. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #228

Perhaps I should have said "report abuse". JohnnyRingo Oct 2013 #308

But there is a limit to tolerance. If not, DU should ban no one, ever, for any reason. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #431

DU = the Democratic Party base, progressives, stealth conservatives, trolls, moderates.... steve2470 Oct 2013 #218

My OP doesn't call for narrowing of the TOS. At first I was pointing out that the Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #231

DU members tend to be more liberal on some issues, more moderate, or even centrist on others. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #248

DKF was banned for promoting non-liberal ideas, no? It did have something to do with a label. So, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #429

No, not really. Here's an example of what got DFK banned. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #515

For me, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is taking care of one another LittleBlue Oct 2013 #223

You make a good point, but the question related to my OP and your reply is this, Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #233

Here are the results from DU's 2010 survey.. Upton Oct 2013 #237

Not exactly. Change question 4 to say "including anti-choice" and watch what's going to happen. idwiyo Oct 2013 #240

I think you hit on the issue with that survey, too much left to interpretation, too much ambiguity stevenleser Oct 2013 #297

I bet good number of "pragmatic liberals" have a problem sharing DU with a anti-choice cheerleader idwiyo Oct 2013 #331

That's the point though, isn't it? Where each of us draws the line is potentially different, and... stevenleser Oct 2013 #360

My line is drawn at supporting Equal Rights for everyone. No exceptions. idwiyo Oct 2013 #377

You mean, besides the fact that they are different issues? stevenleser Oct 2013 #380

So, it's OK to treat a woman as an object and force her to risk her health and possibly life idwiyo Oct 2013 #384

Oh FFS, please dispense with the melodrama and the straw men, no one is buying it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #386

You don't have a problem it seems to accept anti-choicers as allies, according to what you wrote. idwiyo Oct 2013 #392

That's exactly what I thought. "Allies". LMAO. Really? stevenleser Oct 2013 #395

The moment they start demanding they get what they want in exchange for their support. idwiyo Oct 2013 #396

moved post to the right place. idwiyo Oct 2013 #391

That's interesting and important. But, as far as my OP, it was about the TOS and what it was saying Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #453

DU is insular enough. I think these purity demands sufrommich Oct 2013 #241

A lot of "Right Wing talking points" are actually true when liberals say them. gulliver Oct 2013 #249

Posters should agree with at least half of the Democratic National Platform FarCenter Oct 2013 #250

It seems that you ascribe to the "first sentence is the key" school of analysis. riqster Oct 2013 #257

liberal vs progressive? Trillo Oct 2013 #258

It all comes down to Authoritarian vs Egalitarian. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #313

There's a lot to being liberal SamYeager Oct 2013 #273

"working within the system to elect more Democrats"... SidDithers Oct 2013 #293

And not particularly well enforced and as a result... stevenleser Oct 2013 #303

Generates lots of traffic and hits, tho...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #307

Yes it is. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #514

Oh, boy. LWolf Oct 2013 #296

k and r gopiscrap Oct 2013 #304

The biggest problem is how to define liberal. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #309

Liberal centrist parties: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #333

You forgot trolls in your TOS exclusion list. Rex Oct 2013 #355

Graphic!!! the face of illegal abortion Photo is blanked out NSFW pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #383

Damn nice to know that even here on DU anti-choicers can keep advocating their views. idwiyo Oct 2013 #387

I know. I'm livid. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #394

She, and everyone who thinks anti-choicers have a right to be here are hypocrites. idwiyo Oct 2013 #397

Well, she should have thought of the possibilities when she chose to have sex!!!1111 uppityperson Oct 2013 #398

IKR? Does she even care Gerri Santoros sister is on here? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #400

I don't think she's knows or cares. uppityperson Oct 2013 #407

You weren't even rude to her! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #409

You are right. She/he does not belong here. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #419

What do we do? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #496

Unless Admin kicks that anti-abortionist hypocrite off DU, there is little anyone can do. idwiyo Oct 2013 #499

Is there no one to complain to? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #503

ATA forum or e-mail directly to admins. I wouldn't bother with a jury. idwiyo Oct 2013 #508

It also excludes RIGHT of center. Conservadems are right of center. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #385

I thought DU was supportive of ALL Democrats. vaberella Oct 2013 #399

Oddly enough, part of the nature of liberal is that there is no hard definition. IronLionZion Oct 2013 #405

This is an important point. YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #509

Anti-choice people shouldn't be allowed here and they shouldn't be allowed to post their views. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #414

i have nothing of great importance to add madrchsod Oct 2013 #422

Why are you running up your post count? nt No Vested Interest Oct 2013 #423

It was a dark n stormy knight of replies. Rex Oct 2013 #430

yes it was..... madrchsod Oct 2013 #466

Politically liberal people is functionally defined as supporting Democrats for office. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #476

Its may be your own comprehension skills are that weak. dipsydoodle Oct 2013 #486

An avowed conservative posts disparaging broad-brushes against liberals Vanje Oct 2013 #487

That is my one and only ignore. cui bono Oct 2013 #489

I can't believe it either Vanje Oct 2013 #490

Holy shit! That blog even has the mandatory spelling mistake..so lame. n/t Fix The Stupid Oct 2013 #517

wow. just wow. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #518

Tell ya what Egnever Nov 2013 #526