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Z_California

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130. Can we please lose the terminology "Good shooting" vs. "Bad shooting"

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:27 PM

Oct 2013

The problem is many cops don't worry about whether blowing away a "perp" is necessary, only if it can be justified. Seems "good shootings" are usually unnecessary. It's like a video game to a lot of these guys. Scary shit man.

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Autopsie comfirmed: 13yr old Murdered by Cop [View all] FreakinDJ Oct 2013 OP

Is There A Link, Sir, To An Account Of The Autopsy Report? The Magistrate Oct 2013 #1

Sorry on my phone at work FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #2

No Problem, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #4

Several on google news, here's one... pkdu Oct 2013 #3

they both lie, sir. leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #6

Yes, but civilians also tell the truth. EOTE Oct 2013 #14

Yes, but civilians also tell the truth. bwaahahhahahahhhahahahahhahahahhwhqhhwhahhwhha leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #23

Are you suggesting they don't? EOTE Oct 2013 #25

yes civilians do lie. they dont always see what the think they saw. cops lie as well they dont leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #28

When you have multiple witnesses with nothing to gain testifying against cops... EOTE Oct 2013 #32

There's a big difference adieu Oct 2013 #45

So, what's your point? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #16

From the previous posts, it's most likely something along the lines of "The boy got what he EOTE Oct 2013 #26

are u trying to speak for me? leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #29

Just offering an opinion. EOTE Oct 2013 #30

pointing out facts about the police who have not yet been found guilty (xcpt by you) does not equate leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #41

Only the court of law can find those murderous pigs guilty. EOTE Oct 2013 #42

He was shot once in the right buttocks, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #43

Being shot on the side really doesn't say very much. EOTE Oct 2013 #47

Here. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #49

There are at least 5 gun shot wounds there that could be from the back. EOTE Oct 2013 #50

I posted the link, that's where. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #51

You're really not very quick, are you? EOTE Oct 2013 #53

And you're not too quick youself either. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #54

There is NOTHING in there that states where the shots came from. EOTE Oct 2013 #58

Obviously we're not going to agree on this, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #60

Obviously, because you don't seem to acknowledge objective fact. EOTE Oct 2013 #62

And all your little name calling is supposed to make me "see the light"? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #63

No, I don't expect you to be educated at all. EOTE Oct 2013 #65

Now I'm convinced that I have far more knowledge about GSW and autopsies than you. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #67

But a Cop defending Murderous Cops just the same FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #75

I guess pointing out facts is now the new "defending". Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #88

Facts? Like being shot in the right hand is the same as being shot from the right side? EOTE Oct 2013 #93

Yeah, you definitely seem like the cop type. EOTE Oct 2013 #79

You're hilarious DragonBorn Oct 2013 #86

How many names do you post under? nt NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #87

Youre right, I haven't read a thing you've written. EOTE Oct 2013 #92

ranchemp? Is that you? Forget to logout your sock puppet, did you? nt EOTE Oct 2013 #94

Now the accusation. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #100

So why is he asking if I read what he wrote me? EOTE Oct 2013 #106

I have no idea, ask him. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #111

Your position from the beginning was that the autopsy said 5 or more shots came from the front EOTE Oct 2013 #117

That has not been my position, that's been the autopsy report, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #118

No, that's just your cop wannabe interpretation. EOTE Oct 2013 #125

Cops won't have me? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #126

Hmm, which federal agencies accept applicants who can't comprehend simple sentences? EOTE Oct 2013 #133

Yep, just as I thought, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #134

Exactly as you planned, huh Sherlock? EOTE Oct 2013 #136

Please stop, you're cracking me up. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #137

You're not even going to try? EOTE Oct 2013 #138

What did you type, exactly? EOTE Oct 2013 #124

Try what? Explaining how I came to the conclusion about the autopsy report? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #139

You're confusing your sockpuppets again. EOTE Oct 2013 #140

You keep saying sock puppet, what the hell is a sock puppet? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #141

The account you forgot to logout of. EOTE Oct 2013 #142

If that's what you think, then please, alert on it, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #143

Then you are welcome to explain your interpretation. EOTE Oct 2013 #144

So me an Remchamp are the same person now? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #168

The conspiracy theories of some around here is the stuff of a John La Claire novel. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #171

Either that or you're incredibly confused. EOTE Oct 2013 #175

Resurrections are so billh58 Oct 2013 #145

If you truly believe it, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #146

I guess pointing out facts is now the new "defending". Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #89

I tend to agree with you MattBaggins Oct 2013 #18

You live in one fucked place. joeglow3 Oct 2013 #21

It Is Easy To Tell Who Pays Attention In Class, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #24

There is what really happened.... Jazzgirl Oct 2013 #52

It took them 10 seconds atreides1 Oct 2013 #5

So far the autopsy just confirms that the boy was shot 7 times....not that he was shot on the ground Captain Stern Oct 2013 #7

i believe one of yhem was a rookie still in fieldtraining loli phabay Oct 2013 #8

Rookie was newly hired but has 11 yrs with another police dept. Blue Diadem Oct 2013 #12

thanks have not been following the story loli phabay Oct 2013 #15

The rookie came from another agency Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #13

The articles I read said the shooter was the experienced cop. nt tblue37 Oct 2013 #78

ROEs for cops - shoot first and ask questions later. Rex Oct 2013 #9

All the autopsy says is that the kid was hit 7x, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #10

The first two shots probably spun him Link Speed Oct 2013 #34

It seems that most of the shots hit him on the right side, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #38

All but one shot were to his right side NickB79 Oct 2013 #59

Bullets do not follow Acme cartoon laws... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #90

***2ND amendment is ANOTHER Whites Only Law**** Lynching by cop not surprising any longer uponit7771 Oct 2013 #11

Can you imagine if a cop did this to an NRA member who was walking around Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #19

Great point, There would be riots and more open carry exhibitions uponit7771 Oct 2013 #20

+1 and it would be an adult, with a real gun, not in a play area lunasun Oct 2013 #31

excellent point leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #33

Near as I can tell it's the anti-2A types that demand anything resembling an Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2013 #132

unprofessional and untrained cops is my issue not 2a uponit7771 Oct 2013 #148

I didn't realize it the other day when it was posted on DU but, Downtown Hound Oct 2013 #17

Thank you for adding that context gollygee Oct 2013 #22

As one of those progun posters let me repost what I said in an earlier thread DragonBorn Oct 2013 #44

No need to wait and see. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #61

I don't think your being realistic DragonBorn Oct 2013 #69

Sorry, but I'm the realistic one here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #70

The first situation is murder? DragonBorn Oct 2013 #73

The first situation is murder. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #74

I've thought the situation over DragonBorn Oct 2013 #83

this is what the cop said questionseverything Oct 2013 #81

That's what I figured, DragonBorn Oct 2013 #84

the cop was not fit,unbalanced in some way questionseverything Oct 2013 #85

There has been story after story... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #91

the 2nd cop did not feel threatened questionseverything Oct 2013 #116

It's called discretion.... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #119

So those school shootings DragonBorn Oct 2013 #170

shooters have carried long guns under trench coats questionseverything Oct 2013 #172

Yes DragonBorn Oct 2013 #173

new info questionseverything Oct 2013 #174

That's right, only let your kids play with real ones. That way the cops will always be justified notadmblnd Oct 2013 #135

Bullshit. This is the same fucking Racism over and over MattBaggins Oct 2013 #72

definatly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #163

The cops ALWAYS claim the person they shot aimed a gun ot them or approached them tblue37 Oct 2013 #80

Thank you for the background. nt. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #57

Are they going to press charges against the cop? darkangel218 Oct 2013 #27

So far the autopsy report backs up the cops statement. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #35

Not what the OP said. Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #36

The OP has claimed in other threads the the cops shot him in the back and then Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #40

That is a fact in the eye witness statement FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #46

Which in all probability, will be proven untrue, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #48

So, the autopsy report is a lie as well? NickB79 Oct 2013 #56

No need to wait and see... One cop murdered him. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #64

I hope the cop is sent to the chair .. and the event is should be televised to all police stations srican69 Oct 2013 #37

7 shots to take down a 13 year old boy. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #39

2 shots to take him down. 5 more to make sure he was dead. Iggo Oct 2013 #68

That poor baby get the red out Oct 2013 #55

Come on, now! They're HEROES, right? I mean, where's the MILK? Th1onein Oct 2013 #71

An autopsy is NOT a criminal trail, so the OP is false. Coyotl Oct 2013 #66

One correction: There was NO "first exchange." The boy's tblue37 Oct 2013 #76

Thank you FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #77

"Exchange" and "first exchange" are standard terms used to describe shooting situations, zo it is tblue37 Oct 2013 #82

This wanta' be should spend the rest of his misserable life behind bars madokie Oct 2013 #95

Sonoma County Sheriff's Dept. has a history of covering up Officer Involved shootings FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #96

Yeah, I'm sure you do, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #101

According to you EVERY Cop is justified killing 13yr old boys FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #104

I would very much like you to provide a link to a post where I've done or said that, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #105

Without the Trajectory findings you cant say which shots happened first FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #107

How in the hell am I supposed to know why it was taken off the internet? Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #113

Law enforcement are not taught to shoot to kill, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #102

The opinion that cops should be taught to wound only is utter silliness mythology Oct 2013 #164

You probably would have shot the kid too under similar circumstances. gulliver Oct 2013 #97

FAILED Excuse for Wanna-Be Rambo Cops FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #98

Autopsy. nt LWolf Oct 2013 #99

Doesn't seem to matter to this one. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #103

I'm not the one demanding the video be taken down off the internet FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #109

Neither am I. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #114

Is there a working video of this incident? Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #108

Authorities had it removed from the internet FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #110

fucking rhoid rage asshole cops gopiscrap Oct 2013 #112

I have a sneaking suspicion... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #115

That would be a very educated guess on your part. Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #120

Oh just get over it already. Glassunion Oct 2013 #121

Ya I know FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #122

The FBI have launched their own investigation Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #123

And High Powered Attorneys for the Lopez Family as well FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #127

The more the merrier, Ranchemp. Oct 2013 #128

My guess would be the 24yr veteran with 3 unarmed citizen kills under his belt FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #129

Can we please lose the terminology "Good shooting" vs. "Bad shooting" Z_California Oct 2013 #130

You need to watch the witness in this video FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #131

This is what I hate raptor_rider Oct 2013 #147

OP Concern noted, but not true. flvegan Oct 2013 #149

Love the "Blaming the Victim" routine FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #150

Regardless, YOU posted factual untruths in that the autopsy provided facts that it did NOT. flvegan Oct 2013 #151

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #152

Did you or did you not post an OP that was unfactual? flvegan Oct 2013 #153

SO you would kill the kid and not be like the other cop that just Rex Oct 2013 #154

So you were there? flvegan Oct 2013 #155

So you won't say anything about why you would blow the kid away Rex Oct 2013 #156

I already did. flvegan Oct 2013 #157

I have prior, do you ever read the threads or just the OP? Rex Oct 2013 #158

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #159

You would have to read ALL the post FreakinDJ Oct 2013 #160

Awesome, nonsense. You didn't answer the question. Try again? flvegan Oct 2013 #161

13 year olds are hardly Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #162

To a limited extent. Have you noticed that 13 year olds kill fewer innocent people than cops? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #165

a 13 can shoot you dead. how old was the kid that just Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #166

A 13-year old can't shoot someone and have his buddies help form a Blue Wall of Silence AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #167

fbi is investigating Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #169

That's true, but it's incidental in this case Orrex Oct 2013 #176

That's true, but it's relevant to the string, starting at # 162, defending the shooting AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #177

I'm not sure Orrex Oct 2013 #178

Normal size 13-year olds don't look like adults. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #179

The danger comes not from the child's size but from the gun Orrex Oct 2013 #180