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DireStrike

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53. You prove my point

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:44 PM

Oct 2013

Nobody today who is a proponent of socialism or communism would agree with Lenin's sentiment here, whether he was being serious or just making a rhetorical point.

Let's stick with this definition: a classless, stateless society.

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Nothing�s changed: Both political parties aim to protect and reinforce the capitalist system [View all] mother earth Oct 2013 OP

On general principles... gcomeau Oct 2013 #1

Lazy writing and idiocy rules alternative media. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #2

hear hear! sick of it. It is an attempt to create the same climate of 1999 and 2000 when Bush Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #3

got that right warrprayer Oct 2013 #9

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There's false equivalence pscot Oct 2013 #5

+1,000,000,000 /nt Drale Oct 2013 #7

+17,000,000,000,000 n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #10

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You have got to be kidding gcomeau Oct 2013 #20

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That's a great principle. I don't think they are the same. But the OP didn't say that BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #17

Like I said... gcomeau Oct 2013 #18

I hear you. Here's how I see it BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #19

Well said. nt mother earth Oct 2013 #25

Is that that surprising? Mass Oct 2013 #4

It seems that in this country, no party has a chance at becoming a majority party LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #6

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K&R woo me with science Oct 2013 #8

These 2 parties couldn't be further apart. Possibly the furthest in US history. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #11

We need to acknowledge what's staring us in the face. Our gov't has been rendered mother earth Oct 2013 #13

The dysfunction is precisely because the two parties are farthest from each other than ever before stevenleser Oct 2013 #52

So there's no support from dems for TPP? Glass-Steagall is going to be reinstated? mother earth Oct 2013 #58

Healthcare reform, Tax rates, gay rights, women's equality, abortion, Iran policy, etc. stevenleser Oct 2013 #59

What's not compelling is we get ONLY what big business doesn't care about, therein are the only mother earth Oct 2013 #60

While true, it is worse for the working class when the right-wing is in power. Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #12

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Why yes, yes they do. In fact....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #21

Since I'm okay with well-regulated, non-crony capitalism... Silent3 Oct 2013 #23

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How's that "...well-regulated, non-crony capitalism and solid... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #40

How's that Marxist thing working out in practice? Silent3 Oct 2013 #41

So you're comparing a system that's been actually in place for three centuries or so...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #42

I'll gladly compare something that's really been done with someone's pipe dream... Silent3 Oct 2013 #43

The first attempt at Marxism in practice degenerated into Stalinism...... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #44

You have some magic solution that eliminates all of the "pressures"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #47

Why yes, yes I do. They're called work councils and neighborhood councils....... socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #48

Of course, none of those people working in such councils... Silent3 Oct 2013 #49

That's the "immediately recallable delegates" part........ socialist_n_TN Oct 2013 #56

At least in your untried, purely hypothetical dreams. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #57

They do, but the liberals believe it should be regulated treestar Oct 2013 #24

Absolutely! randome Oct 2013 #45

It is a bit liberating when you begin to see through the charade. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #26

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The Democratic party is the party that keeps saving capitalism from itself coldmountain Oct 2013 #30

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Modern economic systems are a blend of private and government ownership FarCenter Oct 2013 #29

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Interestingly, you make a good point. DireStrike Oct 2013 #46

Lenin's definition of communism FarCenter Oct 2013 #51

You prove my point DireStrike Oct 2013 #53

That would be a left anarchist definition. FarCenter Oct 2013 #54

Engels: DireStrike Oct 2013 #55

the corporate state has two teams datasuspect Oct 2013 #32

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Fuck Ralph Nader...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #35

Two capitalist parties fighting over campaign contributions. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #36

exactly. liberal_at_heart Oct 2013 #39

Lets Get Mobilized ! Othervoice Oct 2013 #38

Yup. woo me with science Oct 2013 #50