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Octafish

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36. It goes to the heart of the matter.

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 02:58 PM

Oct 2013

The national security state exists to maintain national sovereignty; to perpetuate itself requires maintaining an elite of insiders, secret, anonymous, and all-powerful in martial and financial terms compared to the barbarians outside the walls of the fortress and the serfs and slaves within.

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NSA Spying Not Very Focused on Terrorism: Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are Real Motives Ops [View all] Octafish Oct 2013 OP

NSA is gone rogue? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #1

Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) warned us in 1975... Octafish Oct 2013 #4

I've thought for a long time that is how Washington DC politics work. notadmblnd Oct 2013 #10

It would explain a whole lot. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #28

Agreed. Dirt on a key politician is worth money, potentially a lot of money. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #50

Plus 1,000,000! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #27

Do you know what year (s) the NSA was wiretapping Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #35

NSA Watch List Octafish Oct 2013 #40

I'm trying to figure out why they wiretapped Howard Baker; he was a moderate Republican? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #43

''What did the president know and when did he know it?'' Octafish Oct 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish Oct 2013 #44

Like the CIA... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #46

Rogue nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #2

What's that do to democracy? Octafish Oct 2013 #5

Yup nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #7

About what I assumed� Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #3

When story first broke I quoted Tice nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #6

What if they used it to, eh, filter out those who opposed their wars for profit? Octafish Oct 2013 #9

Corporate fascism. woo me with science Oct 2013 #8

exactly G_j Oct 2013 #30

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George AWOL Bush, pretzeldentin' on Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Oct 2013 #32

This is amazing to watch agent46 Oct 2013 #48

Just incredible to watch. woo me with science Oct 2013 #49

We either strip corporations of their power, or they will soon finish the job of stripping us Zorra Oct 2013 #55

+10000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #56

Well that would explain a lot. zeemike Oct 2013 #11

It goes to the heart of the matter. Octafish Oct 2013 #36

K&R ReRe Oct 2013 #12

I've thought for years... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #24

More thought on this subject... ReRe Oct 2013 #25

Those who oppose the War Party are enemies to be watched. Octafish Oct 2013 #41

Oh come on now! They NEEDED the bridge of the starship Enterpoop Rex Oct 2013 #13

THAT is what it's all about. Octafish Oct 2013 #51

They tapped Obama's phone while he ran for the Senate. Wilms Oct 2013 #14

They tapped when Cheney was running things. Rex Oct 2013 #16

Probably got the scoop on when he ran for state senate... Octafish Oct 2013 #54

Recommend jsr Oct 2013 #15

Everyone knows it, right? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #17

K&R. Thanks. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #18

The Ring of Truth as always, Octafish. kicking. nt navarth Oct 2013 #19

DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #20

k&r Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #21

The ones that they can't blackmail for control, they murder. Th1onein Oct 2013 #22

+1 notadmblnd Oct 2013 #33

I think the real scandal is that while they demand billions in funding sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #23

The real motives certainly include Enthusiast Oct 2013 #26

This should a permant feature of the Greates page pscot Oct 2013 #29

du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #31

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #34

Recommend! KoKo Oct 2013 #37

this should surprise nobody but the simpering sycophants KG Oct 2013 #38

Big brother will not tolerate the impertinence of light being shined on the reprehensible policies indepat Oct 2013 #39

Thank you Occupy PeoViejo Oct 2013 #47

Thank you, Octafish! nt City Lights Oct 2013 #42

You anti NSA people are 'like children Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #52

kick woo me with science Oct 2013 #53

K & R AzDar Oct 2013 #57