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lumberjack_jeff

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109. I yam what I yam. Bulls-eye and all.

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 03:04 PM

Oct 2013

I know I'm a liberal democrat. I also try studiously to comply with the community standards as manifest by juries.

Aside from that, let's ask Mr Churchill:

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill

On balance, DKF's posts suggested only a superficial association with the democratic party and liberalism in general.

The worst sin, imho, was that her rhetoric wasn't influenced by repeated correction on the facts. I can appreciate people that look at a shared set of facts and debate the conclusions that those facts suggest. I don't appreciate people who ignore or try to suppress facts because of the fear that those facts might undermine their position.

If Skinner, Elad and Earl decide that I'm not a good fit - that's fine. All I request is a decently written tombstone. I think that it's important to the health of DU that lockstep agreement on every issue is not seen as a virtue.

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Has the banning of dkf made you more reluctant to criticize certain things on DU? [View all] Nye Bevan Oct 2013 OP

Is it OK for you to ask this? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #1

Is it ok for you to even post on the thread? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #32

"I am in no sense criticizing the banning of dkf" Kolesar Oct 2013 #57

Oh, I wouldn't criticize that either. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #84

IBTL. Mika Oct 2013 #2

Dito! Heather MC Oct 2013 #25

I think that everyone probably thinks about this, but it should not affect their posts. Th1onein Oct 2013 #3

Fuck no trumad Oct 2013 #4

Only the ratfuckers should fear. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #6

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #22

+1 BootinUp Oct 2013 #43

Lots of people were oddly miffed dkf got the banhammer. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #52

Agree to that. nt Doremus Oct 2013 #79

Thank you. And Lord knows that appears to be EXACTLY what they are doing. Number23 Oct 2013 #154

Between WillyT's thread and this one, the flypaper couldn't be stickier. msanthrope Oct 2013 #157

This is what happens when the echo chamber starts to burst for those who have propped up Number23 Oct 2013 #170

+1 n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #171

+100! nt zappaman Oct 2013 #178

+1 - nt Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #19

+1 eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #80

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #5

Main problem I see is that, these last few days, dkf was rooting for ACA's failure Mass Oct 2013 #7

I can actually see some sense in rooting for the ACA to fail. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #12

Sure. So we should root for millions of people to suffer and/or die Mass Oct 2013 #17

No. We should not root for anyone to "suffer and die". Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #21

Totally agree with your position, in this case, but this is not the position Mass Oct 2013 #23

That is not at all what dkf was advocating for. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #59

some people here seem to think exactly that. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #94

I Know, Sir: She Was Practically An Ambassador From The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page.... The Magistrate Oct 2013 #110

then perhaps THAT is the problem... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #76

I think your assumption that "no hides" = "stays within community standards" is shaky. winter is coming Oct 2013 #8

I've seen it happen. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #18

I doubt they hid it. I suspect they deleted it, since posting personal info is a big no-no. winter is coming Oct 2013 #27

I think I served on that jury. murielm99 Oct 2013 #38

dfk never had any effect on me fadedrose Oct 2013 #9

No, and for the record, I am against all those things - the drones, NSA spying, and the ACA quinnox Oct 2013 #10

Against ACA? Well I am for single payer which puts me at odds with ACA I guess. L0oniX Oct 2013 #39

yup, same here quinnox Oct 2013 #40

"abomination" oh come one now ...you are being too kind. L0oniX Oct 2013 #41

heh heh quinnox Oct 2013 #42

Disagree treestar Oct 2013 #53

It's all we could get for now and they both know it... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #78

Is this supposed to be news? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #77

You've got to be kidding me, both with liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #11

Hence my use of the word "vociferously" (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #16

+1000 Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #60

Starry, have you noticed that we haven't had to contend liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #182

^this^ is reality. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #74

+1000 x infinity nt Doremus Oct 2013 #85

1000 x infinity is just plain old infinity. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #141

I really don't care Gman Oct 2013 #13

He did post positive (For Democrats) OP's from time to time. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #14

Thanks, I missed that one. Too little, too late? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #15

It changed it's tune a little wickerwoman Oct 2013 #36

True Story Savannahmann Oct 2013 #71

good points questionseverything Oct 2013 #133

Have another look at the Terms of Service for DU. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #162

After reading your comment, I almost feel like my Meta thread was a bad thing. stevenleser Oct 2013 #136

I never saw anything whatsoever positive about Dems from that one. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #65

Missed a choice. HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #20

I'll add that as an option. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #24

Thanks HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #69

Someone who critized NSA spying and drones, but then touched the third-rail re the ACA. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #122

Nope. bravenak Oct 2013 #26

I actually do not care etherealtruth Oct 2013 #28

Same here. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #177

no idea who DFK is or what is going on. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #29

Dkf was/is a republican and this site is for Democrats only. Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #30

10 years on DU ...wow L0oniX Oct 2013 #34

I'm beginning to wonder what the benefit is supposed to be from chatting on this site. L0oniX Oct 2013 #31

Well, it's not here so that RW shills can post their talking points all day long. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #66

So you admit you are not one of us? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #81

define "us" Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #89

Liberals who want to work "within the system" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #93

you're funny. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #95

No actually I am being perfectly serious...it says "within the system" right there... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #100

I am going to ask you a question I hope you can answer. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #135

Where did I say Most? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #138

Can you define 'the system'. Right now, eg the 'system' is being sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #144

ie within the political system....you know the Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #145

You said that already and it still makes no sense. You seem to be sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #147

It makes perfect sense and you know it.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #148

Do you support cuts to SS ? Is your definition of 'far, far left sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #149

This is why I don't bother. Ask a direct question and get back word salad. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #161

The fringe is exactly what it is.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #166

You will be assimilated. L0oniX Oct 2013 #165

Another one hits the ignore dungeon. Enjoy! L0oniX Oct 2013 #163

I miss some of the freewheeling dialog lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #117

No, the banning of certain other people Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #33

+1 L0oniX Oct 2013 #35

The owners of this board can do what they want... polichick Oct 2013 #37

Change....like the Teaparty expects the Republicans to change? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #83

The tea party is a bogus front for the 1%... polichick Oct 2013 #97

No actually they are not....they are funded by them...but there ARE people in that party who VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #99

Well, there is some dispute over who they are at this point - but who cares? polichick Oct 2013 #118

I still don't miss Meta (Nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #44

Ask the Administrators is so much more civilized. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #46

If you have dkf type arguments to make, take them to Reddit. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #45

This was a question, not an argument. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #47

You've made several posts lamenting the loss of this poster. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #56

If by "several" you mean "zero" then you are correct. (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #63

Facts have ruined many of good story, including apparently this one. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #120

Well, there's the OP concern poll, plus your comments in WillyT's post. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #164

"We" believe in MANY things demwing Oct 2013 #67

The TOC clearly state that this is a liberal site, so if you aren't one, then please STFU. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #68

What is a liberal? demwing Oct 2013 #75

Dfk was a right winger. That got them banned. If you are like them, it will happen to you too. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #86

Still waiting for that list demwing Oct 2013 #88

Please hold your breath. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #91

That's exactly what I thought demwing Oct 2013 #98

Sorry, cowpoke, this ain't my first dance at the internet rodeo. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #159

its more than that...it says "within" the system... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #92

Fair enough. Until the Republicans are defeated, splinter factions have to be crushed. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #96

No, it gives me hope that we can roody Oct 2013 #48

It won't change the way I post. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #49

Interesting Aerows Oct 2013 #50

He moved up on the depth chart. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #55

True that, lol. BootinUp Oct 2013 #102

Something else... pipi_k Oct 2013 #51

Its made me reluctant to post in any dfk meta thread NoOneMan Oct 2013 #54

Nope. Igel Oct 2013 #58

No--it was his/her blatant use of obvious tblue37 Oct 2013 #61

No. I have always been against things like drones, NSA surveillance, Autumn Oct 2013 #62

DKF did nothing but post negative stuff about liberals and liberal policies kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #64

She seemed to express her opposition to NSA spying and drones on a regular basis. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #106

she pushed rightwing propaganda and talking points. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #70

+1 gollygee Oct 2013 #82

I ain't sorry to see dkf showed the door: trolls is just gonna troll struggle4progress Oct 2013 #72

'dkf' had at least five hidden posts on DU3 - I have no idea how many deleted on DU2. Make7 Oct 2013 #73

I think you missed the Whole Point of the banning. Whisp Oct 2013 #87

I was chased out of Interfaith for asking Christians direct questions. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #90

Voltaire was chased out of a few neighborhoods. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #107

Nope. Iggo Oct 2013 #101

dkf's banning was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides of the jury system" or anything else... Spazito Oct 2013 #103

I can see the dilemma for the admins here. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #113

If the admin's goal was solely to generate traffic by encouraging posters like dkf.... Spazito Oct 2013 #129

Indeed! +1 eom Purveyor Oct 2013 #150

It's not a question though of wanting DU to be a 'clone of the Barack Obama group' LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #175

Perhaps "clone of the Barack Obama group" was an exaggeration Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #176

Your Poll, Sir, Is High-Grade Bull-Shit The Magistrate Oct 2013 #104

Thank you, Sir shanine Oct 2013 #125

^What you said^ n/t Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #127

I agree. The admins are extraordinarily lenient when enforcing the TOS steve2470 Oct 2013 #155

Exactly. zappaman Oct 2013 #180

The reason I voted 'yes' is because as we move forward with the legalization of marijuana.. Tikki Oct 2013 #105

Worried, Nye? Lol. morningfog Oct 2013 #108

LOL! Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #111

The OP is one who prides himself on skirting the line. morningfog Oct 2013 #116

Terrified. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #119

Lol. morningfog Oct 2013 #121

I yam what I yam. Bulls-eye and all. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #109

I've certainly made some enemies here. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #123

I disagree with you about NAFTA and Citizens united. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #124

Thanks, and I'm glad there's somewhere on the internet where we can debate stuff like that Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #128

I am more careful than I used to be... defacto7 Oct 2013 #112

I'm as big an asshat as always Coyotl Oct 2013 #139

The TOS trumps community standards. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #114

Why? Rex Oct 2013 #115

No, coz unlike dkf, I'm not a RW troll... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #126

A lot of people suspected DKF was a RW troll Renew Deal Oct 2013 #130

He/she supported too many repub/rw things. It was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides..." uppityperson Oct 2013 #131

Cutting and pasting from post 103 here: Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #132

You forgot to bold the most important bit... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #142

no because I'm not a RW troll nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #134

Why would banning a troll make me cautious, unless I was a troll? OregonBlue Oct 2013 #137

No, why should it? I'm not a Republican. BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

No. I won't post on some of the Forums because it's not worth the hassle of dealing with the hobbit709 Oct 2013 #143

Goodness no! LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #146

MIRT had nothing to do with the nuking... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #151

Post edited to take this info into account. LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #152

I voted No, because I will not change. I am aware what defending liberal positions might cost. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #153

You think dfk got banned because of the defense of liberal positions? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #158

I don't follow that stuff, sorry... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #168

What liberal positions did dkf exhibit exactly? Rex Oct 2013 #160

I have no idea who DKF is or what he posted about... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #167

There's a crew that's keep Mead afloat with notebook sales over these kind of things. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #179

It actually is a little creepy... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #181

There are plenty of DUers who have no interest whatsoever in any opinion that differs from theirs, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #183

That is blatantly untrue. I have disagreed extremely publicly with the President on half a dozen stevenleser Oct 2013 #184

So what did 121 DUers (many long-termers and/or star members) do to get banned from the BOG? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #185

Obviously they picked a fight in the BOG forum BootinUp Oct 2013 #187

That is a different question. You said you had to agree with everything. Thats not true. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #188

Me too BainsBane Oct 2013 #169

Huh? NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #156

I ran across this illuminating quote today, maybe you will find it kenny blankenship Oct 2013 #172

That is profound. Lasher Oct 2013 #173

Revisionist crap. S/He defended racists like Zimmerman at every ecstatic Oct 2013 #174

I sure as hell don't criticize like DKF did and I also like the "mosque" at ground zero DevonRex Oct 2013 #186