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144. Can you define 'the system'. Right now, eg the 'system' is being

Sat Oct 26, 2013, 04:27 PM

Oct 2013

controlled by Corporations.

We just found out that working within the system means cuts to SS.

I am vehemently opposed to cutting SS. Being that I am a Democrat.

But so far 9 Dems are on board with the Corporate Party to cut SS. That means that already we have an entire Party, the Republicans, who will march in lockstep for their Corporate Bosses, backing cuts to SS and so far, joining them, nine people with a D after their name. There is also the disturbing fact that the Dem Administration has placed SS cuts 'on the table'.

Is this the 'system' you want to work within?

I must be part of the 'fringe' you speak of, because there is no way in hell I will work to back such a system which is directly in opposition to Democratic principles.

I'm still unclear as to what you consider to be the 'fringes'. Is it people who will not go along with cuts to SS no matter who is proposing them?

DUers have never supported cuts to SS, so who are the 'fringes'?

Are the 'fringes' those who SUPPORT cuts to SS or ....

Are the 'fringes' those of us who will work as hard as we can to get SS cuts OFF the Table?

It might be me, but I'm still puzzled by your 'far left, fringes' statements.

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Has the banning of dkf made you more reluctant to criticize certain things on DU? [View all] Nye Bevan Oct 2013 OP

Is it OK for you to ask this? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #1

Is it ok for you to even post on the thread? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #32

"I am in no sense criticizing the banning of dkf" Kolesar Oct 2013 #57

Oh, I wouldn't criticize that either. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #84

IBTL. Mika Oct 2013 #2

Dito! Heather MC Oct 2013 #25

I think that everyone probably thinks about this, but it should not affect their posts. Th1onein Oct 2013 #3

Fuck no trumad Oct 2013 #4

Only the ratfuckers should fear. nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #6

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #22

+1 BootinUp Oct 2013 #43

Lots of people were oddly miffed dkf got the banhammer. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #52

Agree to that. nt Doremus Oct 2013 #79

Thank you. And Lord knows that appears to be EXACTLY what they are doing. Number23 Oct 2013 #154

Between WillyT's thread and this one, the flypaper couldn't be stickier. msanthrope Oct 2013 #157

This is what happens when the echo chamber starts to burst for those who have propped up Number23 Oct 2013 #170

+1 n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #171

+100! nt zappaman Oct 2013 #178

+1 - nt Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #19

+1 eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #80

You Better Believe It! nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #5

Main problem I see is that, these last few days, dkf was rooting for ACA's failure Mass Oct 2013 #7

I can actually see some sense in rooting for the ACA to fail. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #12

Sure. So we should root for millions of people to suffer and/or die Mass Oct 2013 #17

No. We should not root for anyone to "suffer and die". Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #21

Totally agree with your position, in this case, but this is not the position Mass Oct 2013 #23

That is not at all what dkf was advocating for. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #59

some people here seem to think exactly that. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #94

I Know, Sir: She Was Practically An Ambassador From The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page.... The Magistrate Oct 2013 #110

then perhaps THAT is the problem... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #76

I think your assumption that "no hides" = "stays within community standards" is shaky. winter is coming Oct 2013 #8

I've seen it happen. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #18

I doubt they hid it. I suspect they deleted it, since posting personal info is a big no-no. winter is coming Oct 2013 #27

I think I served on that jury. murielm99 Oct 2013 #38

dfk never had any effect on me fadedrose Oct 2013 #9

No, and for the record, I am against all those things - the drones, NSA spying, and the ACA quinnox Oct 2013 #10

Against ACA? Well I am for single payer which puts me at odds with ACA I guess. L0oniX Oct 2013 #39

yup, same here quinnox Oct 2013 #40

"abomination" oh come one now ...you are being too kind. L0oniX Oct 2013 #41

heh heh quinnox Oct 2013 #42

Disagree treestar Oct 2013 #53

It's all we could get for now and they both know it... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #78

Is this supposed to be news? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #77

You've got to be kidding me, both with liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #11

Hence my use of the word "vociferously" (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #16

+1000 Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #60

Starry, have you noticed that we haven't had to contend liberalhistorian Oct 2013 #182

^this^ is reality. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #74

+1000 x infinity nt Doremus Oct 2013 #85

1000 x infinity is just plain old infinity. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #141

I really don't care Gman Oct 2013 #13

He did post positive (For Democrats) OP's from time to time. Savannahmann Oct 2013 #14

Thanks, I missed that one. Too little, too late? (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #15

It changed it's tune a little wickerwoman Oct 2013 #36

True Story Savannahmann Oct 2013 #71

good points questionseverything Oct 2013 #133

Have another look at the Terms of Service for DU. wickerwoman Oct 2013 #162

After reading your comment, I almost feel like my Meta thread was a bad thing. stevenleser Oct 2013 #136

I never saw anything whatsoever positive about Dems from that one. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #65

Missed a choice. HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #20

I'll add that as an option. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #24

Thanks HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #69

Someone who critized NSA spying and drones, but then touched the third-rail re the ACA. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #122

Nope. bravenak Oct 2013 #26

I actually do not care etherealtruth Oct 2013 #28

Same here. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #177

no idea who DFK is or what is going on. nt Deep13 Oct 2013 #29

Dkf was/is a republican and this site is for Democrats only. Kingofalldems Oct 2013 #30

10 years on DU ...wow L0oniX Oct 2013 #34

I'm beginning to wonder what the benefit is supposed to be from chatting on this site. L0oniX Oct 2013 #31

Well, it's not here so that RW shills can post their talking points all day long. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #66

So you admit you are not one of us? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #81

define "us" Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #89

Liberals who want to work "within the system" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #93

you're funny. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #95

No actually I am being perfectly serious...it says "within the system" right there... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #100

I am going to ask you a question I hope you can answer. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #135

Where did I say Most? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #138

Can you define 'the system'. Right now, eg the 'system' is being sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #144

ie within the political system....you know the Democrats... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #145

You said that already and it still makes no sense. You seem to be sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #147

It makes perfect sense and you know it.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #148

Do you support cuts to SS ? Is your definition of 'far, far left sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #149

This is why I don't bother. Ask a direct question and get back word salad. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #161

The fringe is exactly what it is.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #166

You will be assimilated. L0oniX Oct 2013 #165

Another one hits the ignore dungeon. Enjoy! L0oniX Oct 2013 #163

I miss some of the freewheeling dialog lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #117

No, the banning of certain other people Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #33

+1 L0oniX Oct 2013 #35

The owners of this board can do what they want... polichick Oct 2013 #37

Change....like the Teaparty expects the Republicans to change? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #83

The tea party is a bogus front for the 1%... polichick Oct 2013 #97

No actually they are not....they are funded by them...but there ARE people in that party who VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #99

Well, there is some dispute over who they are at this point - but who cares? polichick Oct 2013 #118

I still don't miss Meta (Nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #44

Ask the Administrators is so much more civilized. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #46

If you have dkf type arguments to make, take them to Reddit. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #45

This was a question, not an argument. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #47

You've made several posts lamenting the loss of this poster. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #56

If by "several" you mean "zero" then you are correct. (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #63

Facts have ruined many of good story, including apparently this one. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #120

Well, there's the OP concern poll, plus your comments in WillyT's post. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #164

"We" believe in MANY things demwing Oct 2013 #67

The TOC clearly state that this is a liberal site, so if you aren't one, then please STFU. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #68

What is a liberal? demwing Oct 2013 #75

Dfk was a right winger. That got them banned. If you are like them, it will happen to you too. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #86

Still waiting for that list demwing Oct 2013 #88

Please hold your breath. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #91

That's exactly what I thought demwing Oct 2013 #98

Sorry, cowpoke, this ain't my first dance at the internet rodeo. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #159

its more than that...it says "within" the system... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #92

Fair enough. Until the Republicans are defeated, splinter factions have to be crushed. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #96

No, it gives me hope that we can roody Oct 2013 #48

It won't change the way I post. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #49

Interesting Aerows Oct 2013 #50

He moved up on the depth chart. nt ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #55

True that, lol. BootinUp Oct 2013 #102

Something else... pipi_k Oct 2013 #51

Its made me reluctant to post in any dfk meta thread NoOneMan Oct 2013 #54

Nope. Igel Oct 2013 #58

No--it was his/her blatant use of obvious tblue37 Oct 2013 #61

No. I have always been against things like drones, NSA surveillance, Autumn Oct 2013 #62

DKF did nothing but post negative stuff about liberals and liberal policies kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #64

She seemed to express her opposition to NSA spying and drones on a regular basis. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #106

she pushed rightwing propaganda and talking points. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #70

+1 gollygee Oct 2013 #82

I ain't sorry to see dkf showed the door: trolls is just gonna troll struggle4progress Oct 2013 #72

'dkf' had at least five hidden posts on DU3 - I have no idea how many deleted on DU2. Make7 Oct 2013 #73

I think you missed the Whole Point of the banning. Whisp Oct 2013 #87

I was chased out of Interfaith for asking Christians direct questions. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2013 #90

Voltaire was chased out of a few neighborhoods. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #107

Nope. Iggo Oct 2013 #101

dkf's banning was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides of the jury system" or anything else... Spazito Oct 2013 #103

I can see the dilemma for the admins here. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #113

If the admin's goal was solely to generate traffic by encouraging posters like dkf.... Spazito Oct 2013 #129

Indeed! +1 eom Purveyor Oct 2013 #150

It's not a question though of wanting DU to be a 'clone of the Barack Obama group' LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #175

Perhaps "clone of the Barack Obama group" was an exaggeration Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #176

Your Poll, Sir, Is High-Grade Bull-Shit The Magistrate Oct 2013 #104

Thank you, Sir shanine Oct 2013 #125

^What you said^ n/t Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #127

I agree. The admins are extraordinarily lenient when enforcing the TOS steve2470 Oct 2013 #155

Exactly. zappaman Oct 2013 #180

The reason I voted 'yes' is because as we move forward with the legalization of marijuana.. Tikki Oct 2013 #105

Worried, Nye? Lol. morningfog Oct 2013 #108

LOL! Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #111

The OP is one who prides himself on skirting the line. morningfog Oct 2013 #116

Terrified. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #119

Lol. morningfog Oct 2013 #121

I yam what I yam. Bulls-eye and all. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #109

I've certainly made some enemies here. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #123

I disagree with you about NAFTA and Citizens united. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #124

Thanks, and I'm glad there's somewhere on the internet where we can debate stuff like that Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #128

I am more careful than I used to be... defacto7 Oct 2013 #112

I'm as big an asshat as always Coyotl Oct 2013 #139

The TOS trumps community standards. Gormy Cuss Oct 2013 #114

Why? Rex Oct 2013 #115

No, coz unlike dkf, I'm not a RW troll... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #126

A lot of people suspected DKF was a RW troll Renew Deal Oct 2013 #130

He/she supported too many repub/rw things. It was NOT "the mother of all admin overrides..." uppityperson Oct 2013 #131

Cutting and pasting from post 103 here: Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #132

You forgot to bold the most important bit... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #142

no because I'm not a RW troll nt arely staircase Oct 2013 #134

Why would banning a troll make me cautious, unless I was a troll? OregonBlue Oct 2013 #137

No, why should it? I'm not a Republican. BainsBane Oct 2013 #140

No. I won't post on some of the Forums because it's not worth the hassle of dealing with the hobbit709 Oct 2013 #143

Goodness no! LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #146

MIRT had nothing to do with the nuking... Violet_Crumble Oct 2013 #151

Post edited to take this info into account. LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #152

I voted No, because I will not change. I am aware what defending liberal positions might cost. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #153

You think dfk got banned because of the defense of liberal positions? nt msanthrope Oct 2013 #158

I don't follow that stuff, sorry... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #168

What liberal positions did dkf exhibit exactly? Rex Oct 2013 #160

I have no idea who DKF is or what he posted about... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #167

There's a crew that's keep Mead afloat with notebook sales over these kind of things. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #179

It actually is a little creepy... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #181

There are plenty of DUers who have no interest whatsoever in any opinion that differs from theirs, Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #183

That is blatantly untrue. I have disagreed extremely publicly with the President on half a dozen stevenleser Oct 2013 #184

So what did 121 DUers (many long-termers and/or star members) do to get banned from the BOG? Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #185

Obviously they picked a fight in the BOG forum BootinUp Oct 2013 #187

That is a different question. You said you had to agree with everything. Thats not true. nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #188

Me too BainsBane Oct 2013 #169

Huh? NoGOPZone Oct 2013 #156

I ran across this illuminating quote today, maybe you will find it kenny blankenship Oct 2013 #172

That is profound. Lasher Oct 2013 #173

Revisionist crap. S/He defended racists like Zimmerman at every ecstatic Oct 2013 #174

I sure as hell don't criticize like DKF did and I also like the "mosque" at ground zero DevonRex Oct 2013 #186