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18. They have different historical baggage; I think the DLC picked "progressive" as a label

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:10 AM

Oct 2013

I think today people saying them mean the same thing, and in particular people started using "progressive" because they wanted to disassociate themselves from the Great Society; I associate it with From and Carville.

I call myself a leftist because I think the state should subvert rather than reinforce the power structures in society. I'm too statist to call myself a "liberal" in good conscience. And, I believe too strongly that unintended consequences tend to outweigh intended consequences to call myself a "progressive", which I suppose makes me a "conservative" with a small "c".

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Liberal or Progressive? [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 OP

progressive is the word fucking reaganista's tried to foist upon liberals in the 80's gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1

Anarchist...aka Left Libertarian. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #2

I prefer liberal but I like progressive as well. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #3

Progressive. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #4

I use both terms quinnox Oct 2013 #5

I do too. Not much difference that I can see. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #40

Aren't they in essence the same thing? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #6

They have different historical baggage; I think the DLC picked "progressive" as a label Recursion Oct 2013 #18

To me, progressive is far left of Liberal, but I accept both. CTyankee Oct 2013 #52

Liberal and old enough to remember what it really means. n/t Cleita Oct 2013 #7

Me too. Something like th e definition below? Zorra Oct 2013 #15

Your definition is more elegant than mine. Cleita Oct 2013 #43

Lib EARL RobertEarl Oct 2013 #8

Neither. I'm a leftist. scarletwoman Oct 2013 #9

Good one. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #14

I agree Recursion Oct 2013 #20

I also consider myself a leftist BainsBane Oct 2013 #26

For me the defining characteristic of "leftists" is the ultimate removal of the state DireStrike Oct 2013 #33

I don't fit a particular ideology. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #10

Both LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #11

Me, too. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #21

Socialist HarveyDarkey Oct 2013 #12

I wanted to vote for pie. winter is coming Oct 2013 #13

lol Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #16

Socialist Dem. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #17

How do you define these terms? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #19

Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #38

Neither. Extreme far left. Th1onein Oct 2013 #22

Liberal. Laelth Oct 2013 #23

sincere question, what's the difference in the words ? I thought they were synonymous nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #24

No, the terms aren't now equal, mostly because of the far Left. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #27

Moderate-Progressive. nt bluestate10 Oct 2013 #25

Progressive makes me think statist Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #28

Neither. LWolf Oct 2013 #29

I like them both. I like "conservative" also in the sense of conserving the environment. mucifer Oct 2013 #30

Liberal. nt City Lights Oct 2013 #31

progressive. nt xchrom Oct 2013 #32

I'm a Jedi SummerSnow Oct 2013 #34

Socially liberal, fiscally progressive. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #35

I'm a "liberal capitalist". PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #36

Both! n/t hootinholler Oct 2013 #37

Here's the views of JFK, a liberal: AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #39

Study JFK's policy initiatives. JFK was pretty conservative, stonewalling civil rights bluestate10 Oct 2013 #55

You could not be more wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #56

Both, because Skidmore Oct 2013 #41

Hairsplitting. Do we really need more attempts to divide and fracture the Democratic Party? FSogol Oct 2013 #42

thank you... pipi_k Oct 2013 #47

Minnesota Governor Floyd B. Olson said it best - Morning Dew Oct 2013 #44

I'd like to think of myself as Hutzpa Oct 2013 #45

both terms have been bluewashed reddread Oct 2013 #46

Poll is not complete nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #48

Liberals were the more conservative/establishment of those on the left Chathamization Oct 2013 #49

Leftist. In the GOP there are three distinct groups... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #50

60s Liberal still, but agree with many Progressive views as Pragmatic Liberalism. Best we can do libdem4life Oct 2013 #51

No idea anymore NoOneMan Oct 2013 #53

A left-winger. LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #54