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muriel_volestrangler

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36. A British viewpoint: the relatively well-off American middle class thought they'd do better still
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 07:54 AM
Oct 2013

if they got independence. The aristocracy and landed gentry were still in charge of Britain - they owned most of the land, and the voting for the 'Commons' in parliament was still entirely controlled by them, in a far more corrupt and unfair system than anything seen since in any country. America had no landed gentry, but instead something like a middle class, that was better off than the pretty powerless British equivalent - the Americans were wealthier (there was all that land to take from Native Americans, after all, and slave labour to be used). But they didn't have ultimate political power, and, being far enough away to be able to do it, they decided to fight for independence.

Americans were under a 'tyranny' in the same way that the whole of Europe, including Britain itself, and anyone living in an established state anywhere in the world, were under tyranny then, if you weren't in the '1%'. The typical American colonist was already better off than most, in terms of wealth and freedom; but there was a bit more achievable.

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Fucking Tories! El Supremo Oct 2013 #1
LOL GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #17
It is a good start - Americans are dumb, ignorant, warmongers - i can't wait to read more! el_bryanto Oct 2013 #2
Classic English view of humanity as seen down the length of the English nose hooverville29 Oct 2013 #10
Fucking British will never EVER learn. SamYeager Oct 2013 #3
That link is an equally one-sided jingoistic narrative from the opposite side. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #4
"Well, it's a free country, or at least it will be" SamYeager Oct 2013 #5
+100 truebluegreen Oct 2013 #6
LOL I question the jargon and dialects used throughout the entire thing. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #9
Who woulda thunk a major militia colonel from the American War for Independence SamYeager Oct 2013 #13
I thought he seemed like William Wallace minus the kilt. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #12
Yup. Another snuff film--what's with him anyway? truebluegreen Oct 2013 #15
Yes, it didn't seem to be an objective look as it claimed. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #16
I highly recommend reading David McCullough's "1776." He examines the war from FSogol Oct 2013 #7
LOL Didn't watch it for its go at hitory. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #8
That's a relief. n/t FSogol Oct 2013 #11
I really liked the Patriot riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #14
I have heard of it, but not read it yet. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #18
Howard Zinn is being banned by the right wingers. here's an excerpt from an article about Mitch okaawhatever Oct 2013 #23
The right do not like facts riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #25
Zinn Tom728 Oct 2013 #27
you are new to DU riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #28
Sorry Tom728 Oct 2013 #33
please elaborate more on Howard Zinn, thank you kindly nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #38
The foreword of the book explains cyberswede Oct 2013 #46
Can you provide 3 examples of Zinn's lies and misleading behavior by quoting his works? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #51
How can he quote "lies by omission?" Wounded Bear Oct 2013 #52
geez, too bad mzteris Oct 2013 #53
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #56
Zinn's book should be in every home! Marrah_G Oct 2013 #30
his dvd with stars like bruce Springsteen riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #31
It's in mine! Aristus Oct 2013 #47
I enjoy reading about history in comic sans. frogmarch Oct 2013 #19
Common misconception Tom728 Oct 2013 #32
Ah yes, another Brit lecturing us stroppy Yanks on how we should behave. MicaelS Oct 2013 #20
Well Tom728 Oct 2013 #29
The irony that if it weren't for the French the yanks would... truebrit71 Oct 2013 #48
But if we don't maintain the illusion... Scootaloo Oct 2013 #21
Smells like tea spirit. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #22
LOL GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #63
Mostly true, but wholly false. MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #24
Look at the history, the colonies were a cash cow for England dem in texas Oct 2013 #26
+1 frogmarch Oct 2013 #43
From a British POV: Prophet 451 Oct 2013 #34
Thank you. I would have thought most people didn't think much on it over there, it GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #39
The Patriot describes the much less well-known southern theater of the Revolution Recursion Oct 2013 #35
It does seem that he was a very bad guy, at least from the websites I have seen so far. That's GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #41
I worked at Mount Vernon for a while Recursion Oct 2013 #42
Ooh, interesting! That's all really cool info I have never heard before. :^D GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #55
Francis Marion didn't lock loyalists in a church and burn them alive. Are_grits_groceries Oct 2013 #44
I believe you are correct. There are cities and schools named after him BootinUp Oct 2013 #49
A British viewpoint: the relatively well-off American middle class thought they'd do better still muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #36
Thank you. That seems like a reasonable assessment! I have family members who fought on both sides GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #40
seems both sides have developed a mythology about the Am Rev. KG Oct 2013 #37
Yep. And I am sure that is the case for any major historical event. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #57
The bottom line was, the colonies did not have representation treestar Oct 2013 #45
Well, dang! That could have been a really good thing in a lot of ways. GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #58
I call bullshit Orrex Oct 2013 #50
LOL GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #59
The American version mzteris Oct 2013 #54
I hadn't heard that before! GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #60
I read it in a booklet mzteris Oct 2013 #61
You got that right Adam-Bomb Oct 2013 #62
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