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In reply to the discussion: Liberal or Progressive? [View all]Laelth
(32,017 posts)23. Liberal.
I am a capitalist who seeks to use the power of government to save capitalism from its own excesses through sharing the benefits of capitalism more equally throughout all segments of this society.
Plus, here's what Ian Welsh says about liberalism:
Liberalism, in its classic form, is, among other things, the proposition that you get more out of people if you treat them well. Conservatism is the proposition that you get more out of people if you treat them badly.
Post war Liberalism was a giant experiment in treat people well. The Reagan/Thatcher counter-revolution was a giant experiment in treat people worse. The empirical result is this: the rich are richer and more powerful in a society that treats people like shit, but a society which treats people well has a stronger economy, all other things being equal, than one that treats them badly.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-logic-of-the-surveillance-state/
Post war Liberalism was a giant experiment in treat people well. The Reagan/Thatcher counter-revolution was a giant experiment in treat people worse. The empirical result is this: the rich are richer and more powerful in a society that treats people like shit, but a society which treats people well has a stronger economy, all other things being equal, than one that treats them badly.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/the-logic-of-the-surveillance-state/
-Laelth
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progressive is the word fucking reaganista's tried to foist upon liberals in the 80's
gopiscrap
Oct 2013
#1
They have different historical baggage; I think the DLC picked "progressive" as a label
Recursion
Oct 2013
#18
For me the defining characteristic of "leftists" is the ultimate removal of the state
DireStrike
Oct 2013
#33
Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2013
#38
sincere question, what's the difference in the words ? I thought they were synonymous nt
steve2470
Oct 2013
#24
I like them both. I like "conservative" also in the sense of conserving the environment.
mucifer
Oct 2013
#30
Study JFK's policy initiatives. JFK was pretty conservative, stonewalling civil rights
bluestate10
Oct 2013
#55
Hairsplitting. Do we really need more attempts to divide and fracture the Democratic Party?
FSogol
Oct 2013
#42
60s Liberal still, but agree with many Progressive views as Pragmatic Liberalism. Best we can do
libdem4life
Oct 2013
#51