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MannyGoldstein

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38. Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used
Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:38 AM
Oct 2013

as a response to Republicans and the Third Way attacking the word "Liberal". And I *hate* having the bad guys telling us what to call ourselves..

Here's a good rant on it:

Liberals vs. Progressives: What’s the Difference?

I’m not the only one who’s noticed the sudden replacement of “progressive” for “liberal” starting around the time Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House in 1994. I agree that progressivism, as a political movement, has its roots in much older history. However, it doesn’t appear to have replaced that naughty “L word” until the early ‘90s. It’s no secret that the Reagan revolution was a stark attack on all things deemed liberal and that the torch of anti-liberalism was carried full-tilt by AM radio as soon as the Fairness Doctrine was nullified by the Reagan-appointed chair of the FCC in 1987. I certainly remember the early early ‘80s bumper stickers stating, “I don’t believe the liberal press”. A well orchestrated attack on the political language and evenhanded discourse was under way. It’s roots extended at least as far back as Spiro Agnew’s “pointy-headed intellectuals” remark. In fact, politics since the McCarthy era has been a war of attrition for the American right. The left has often seemed aloof and too easily sucker punched by a fight it refused to acknowledge it was even engaged in.

So, why suddenly has the word “liberal” become exclusively associated with the (now right-wing) panacea of laissez-faire capitalism? Why has it suddenly become forbidden to associate itself with the basic definition of the word itself, including all of its left-wing implications? Why is the left suddenly incapable of defining its own meaning for a label it once gave itself? What happens when “the P-word” suddenly becomes a target for witch hunts? Do we have another backup?

Obviously I have an opinion of my own on the subject. I consider it to be an example of what we could call “classical pansy liberalism”. “Anything to avoid or divert confrontation” could be the motto of this movement. To me, the historic progressive political movement of a century ago was a strategy of moving forward with a liberal agenda much more than one of anti-liberalism. At any rate, the word “liberal” has its own history as a proudly worn label for the left-wing movement for many decades before this sudden rebranding. I find it distasteful to run from a word because the conservative media has decided it has naughty connotations. In fact, the act of hiding from it shows a lack of conviction more than anything else.
Liberal or Progressive? [View all] MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 OP
progressive is the word fucking reaganista's tried to foist upon liberals in the 80's gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1
Anarchist...aka Left Libertarian. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #2
I prefer liberal but I like progressive as well. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #3
Progressive. Smarmie Doofus Oct 2013 #4
I use both terms quinnox Oct 2013 #5
I do too. Not much difference that I can see. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #40
Aren't they in essence the same thing? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #6
They have different historical baggage; I think the DLC picked "progressive" as a label Recursion Oct 2013 #18
To me, progressive is far left of Liberal, but I accept both. CTyankee Oct 2013 #52
Liberal and old enough to remember what it really means. n/t Cleita Oct 2013 #7
Me too. Something like th e definition below? Zorra Oct 2013 #15
Your definition is more elegant than mine. Cleita Oct 2013 #43
Lib EARL RobertEarl Oct 2013 #8
Neither. I'm a leftist. scarletwoman Oct 2013 #9
Good one. RobertEarl Oct 2013 #14
I agree Recursion Oct 2013 #20
I also consider myself a leftist BainsBane Oct 2013 #26
For me the defining characteristic of "leftists" is the ultimate removal of the state DireStrike Oct 2013 #33
I don't fit a particular ideology. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #10
Both LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #11
Me, too. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #21
Socialist HarveyDarkey Oct 2013 #12
I wanted to vote for pie. winter is coming Oct 2013 #13
lol Liberal_in_LA Oct 2013 #16
Socialist Dem. nt adirondacker Oct 2013 #17
How do you define these terms? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #19
Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #38
Neither. Extreme far left. Th1onein Oct 2013 #22
Liberal. Laelth Oct 2013 #23
sincere question, what's the difference in the words ? I thought they were synonymous nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #24
No, the terms aren't now equal, mostly because of the far Left. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #27
Moderate-Progressive. nt bluestate10 Oct 2013 #25
Progressive makes me think statist Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #28
Neither. LWolf Oct 2013 #29
I like them both. I like "conservative" also in the sense of conserving the environment. mucifer Oct 2013 #30
Liberal. nt City Lights Oct 2013 #31
progressive. nt xchrom Oct 2013 #32
I'm a Jedi SummerSnow Oct 2013 #34
Socially liberal, fiscally progressive. JaneyVee Oct 2013 #35
I'm a "liberal capitalist". PragmaticLiberal Oct 2013 #36
Both! n/t hootinholler Oct 2013 #37
Here's the views of JFK, a liberal: AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #39
Study JFK's policy initiatives. JFK was pretty conservative, stonewalling civil rights bluestate10 Oct 2013 #55
You could not be more wrong. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #56
Both, because Skidmore Oct 2013 #41
Hairsplitting. Do we really need more attempts to divide and fracture the Democratic Party? FSogol Oct 2013 #42
thank you... pipi_k Oct 2013 #47
Minnesota Governor Floyd B. Olson said it best - Morning Dew Oct 2013 #44
I'd like to think of myself as Hutzpa Oct 2013 #45
both terms have been bluewashed reddread Oct 2013 #46
Poll is not complete nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #48
Liberals were the more conservative/establishment of those on the left Chathamization Oct 2013 #49
Leftist. In the GOP there are three distinct groups... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #50
60s Liberal still, but agree with many Progressive views as Pragmatic Liberalism. Best we can do libdem4life Oct 2013 #51
No idea anymore NoOneMan Oct 2013 #53
A left-winger. LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #54
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