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In reply to the discussion: Liberal or Progressive? [View all]MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)38. Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used
as a response to Republicans and the Third Way attacking the word "Liberal". And I *hate* having the bad guys telling us what to call ourselves..
Here's a good rant on it:
Liberals vs. Progressives: Whats the Difference?
Im not the only one whos noticed the sudden replacement of progressive for liberal starting around the time Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House in 1994. I agree that progressivism, as a political movement, has its roots in much older history. However, it doesnt appear to have replaced that naughty L word until the early 90s. Its no secret that the Reagan revolution was a stark attack on all things deemed liberal and that the torch of anti-liberalism was carried full-tilt by AM radio as soon as the Fairness Doctrine was nullified by the Reagan-appointed chair of the FCC in 1987. I certainly remember the early early 80s bumper stickers stating, I dont believe the liberal press. A well orchestrated attack on the political language and evenhanded discourse was under way. Its roots extended at least as far back as Spiro Agnews pointy-headed intellectuals remark. In fact, politics since the McCarthy era has been a war of attrition for the American right. The left has often seemed aloof and too easily sucker punched by a fight it refused to acknowledge it was even engaged in.
So, why suddenly has the word liberal become exclusively associated with the (now right-wing) panacea of laissez-faire capitalism? Why has it suddenly become forbidden to associate itself with the basic definition of the word itself, including all of its left-wing implications? Why is the left suddenly incapable of defining its own meaning for a label it once gave itself? What happens when the P-word suddenly becomes a target for witch hunts? Do we have another backup?
Obviously I have an opinion of my own on the subject. I consider it to be an example of what we could call classical pansy liberalism. Anything to avoid or divert confrontation could be the motto of this movement. To me, the historic progressive political movement of a century ago was a strategy of moving forward with a liberal agenda much more than one of anti-liberalism. At any rate, the word liberal has its own history as a proudly worn label for the left-wing movement for many decades before this sudden rebranding. I find it distasteful to run from a word because the conservative media has decided it has naughty connotations. In fact, the act of hiding from it shows a lack of conviction more than anything else.
Im not the only one whos noticed the sudden replacement of progressive for liberal starting around the time Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House in 1994. I agree that progressivism, as a political movement, has its roots in much older history. However, it doesnt appear to have replaced that naughty L word until the early 90s. Its no secret that the Reagan revolution was a stark attack on all things deemed liberal and that the torch of anti-liberalism was carried full-tilt by AM radio as soon as the Fairness Doctrine was nullified by the Reagan-appointed chair of the FCC in 1987. I certainly remember the early early 80s bumper stickers stating, I dont believe the liberal press. A well orchestrated attack on the political language and evenhanded discourse was under way. Its roots extended at least as far back as Spiro Agnews pointy-headed intellectuals remark. In fact, politics since the McCarthy era has been a war of attrition for the American right. The left has often seemed aloof and too easily sucker punched by a fight it refused to acknowledge it was even engaged in.
So, why suddenly has the word liberal become exclusively associated with the (now right-wing) panacea of laissez-faire capitalism? Why has it suddenly become forbidden to associate itself with the basic definition of the word itself, including all of its left-wing implications? Why is the left suddenly incapable of defining its own meaning for a label it once gave itself? What happens when the P-word suddenly becomes a target for witch hunts? Do we have another backup?
Obviously I have an opinion of my own on the subject. I consider it to be an example of what we could call classical pansy liberalism. Anything to avoid or divert confrontation could be the motto of this movement. To me, the historic progressive political movement of a century ago was a strategy of moving forward with a liberal agenda much more than one of anti-liberalism. At any rate, the word liberal has its own history as a proudly worn label for the left-wing movement for many decades before this sudden rebranding. I find it distasteful to run from a word because the conservative media has decided it has naughty connotations. In fact, the act of hiding from it shows a lack of conviction more than anything else.
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progressive is the word fucking reaganista's tried to foist upon liberals in the 80's
gopiscrap
Oct 2013
#1
They have different historical baggage; I think the DLC picked "progressive" as a label
Recursion
Oct 2013
#18
For me the defining characteristic of "leftists" is the ultimate removal of the state
DireStrike
Oct 2013
#33
Pretty much the same thing, but I think "Progressive" started being used
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2013
#38
sincere question, what's the difference in the words ? I thought they were synonymous nt
steve2470
Oct 2013
#24
I like them both. I like "conservative" also in the sense of conserving the environment.
mucifer
Oct 2013
#30
Study JFK's policy initiatives. JFK was pretty conservative, stonewalling civil rights
bluestate10
Oct 2013
#55
Hairsplitting. Do we really need more attempts to divide and fracture the Democratic Party?
FSogol
Oct 2013
#42
60s Liberal still, but agree with many Progressive views as Pragmatic Liberalism. Best we can do
libdem4life
Oct 2013
#51