General Discussion

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)

130. Amen to that.

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:39 PM

Oct 2013

Personally, when I see a bunch of dirt poor, sick old people dying of neglect, I have a hard time working up too much sweat over someone making 80K a year, even if that is before taxes. Boo hoo. At least her last meal won't be a can of cat food before she commits suicide.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

176 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

LA Times: Middle class gets Obamacare sticker shock [View all] villager Oct 2013 OP

2856 a year... Lancero Oct 2013 #1

Honestly. Sticker shock? I am rofling here. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #3

No kidding. Wow at this article. BenzoDia Oct 2013 #9

If you make 80k a year you don't take home 80k. former9thward Oct 2013 #66

No excuse. They can look at their budget and decide how much they value health insurance over kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #77

I think we need you to go through every working person's home in the nation. former9thward Oct 2013 #82

This woman is pregnant, so she should be the POSTER GIRL for the ACA. pnwmom Oct 2013 #87

Amen to that. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #130

No they can't SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #138

Her cut rate policy wouldn't cover a visit to the Emergency Room due to an accident... CTyankee Oct 2013 #144

totally agree with you, but I bet this person would okieinpain Oct 2013 #152

Developed nations don't necessarily have single payer health care. SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #163

I think the confusion is over who is meant by "single payer." CTyankee Oct 2013 #164

I'm talking about private insurance SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #165

Now I'm confused... CTyankee Oct 2013 #166

Wikipedia is wrong SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #167

I see terms used "government managed" and "association" but it is a complicated document. CTyankee Oct 2013 #168

A key difference in their system. SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #169

so in this case it was semantics. Even without the literal meaning of the word single-payer, there CTyankee Oct 2013 #170

I don't know that it is just semantics SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #171

thanks for your information! I truly appreciate it. You have given me several insights on universal CTyankee Oct 2013 #172

We agree on what is important SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #173

"Self-employed Lawyer" JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2013 #143

I don't know. former9thward Oct 2013 #146

I was just going by words in the article ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2013 #154

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #76

in a lot ca that Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #78

Including deductibles and copays? NoOneMan Oct 2013 #96

It's more than a little arrogant LWolf Oct 2013 #97

That woman is pregnant, and her new policy will cover maternity costs, pnwmom Oct 2013 #99

"That woman?" LWolf Oct 2013 #102

I know that there were no policies in California that covered maternity pnwmom Oct 2013 #106

Having born 2 children in CA, LWolf Oct 2013 #110

I don't know when you had your children but it's been a very long time pnwmom Oct 2013 #111

I moved out of CA in 2005. LWolf Oct 2013 #145

Employer provided group plans are completely different. That is why the ACA pnwmom Oct 2013 #147

exactly. n/t.. okieinpain Oct 2013 #153

If I can afford $176.19/month on half of what "she and her husband" make, she can do the same. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #2

In California over the last four years, Insurance firms have truedelphi Oct 2013 #11

My brother (both of them) rent. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #13

Do they have a student loan payment? truedelphi Oct 2013 #51

$500 a month for a safe and pretty apartment in San Francisco?!! KansDem Oct 2013 #53

It was incredibly wonderful - and again - truedelphi Oct 2013 #63

My sister-in-law is just finishing up paying off law school loans (kind of similar to "Jennifer") ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #54

Your daughter is a lawyer, and yet you consider her to be part of the group of truedelphi Nov 2013 #174

You need to reread my response...My daughter is not a lawyer. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #175

I love how people know what others can afford. former9thward Oct 2013 #68

I don't need to. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #71

If they can afford to have a baby without insurance pnwmom Oct 2013 #100

My daughter lives in an expensive area of CA and they make less than that. pnwmom Oct 2013 #18

Pls see my reply number 51 above yrs. n/t truedelphi Oct 2013 #52

Yes, one of them has student loans. pnwmom Oct 2013 #56

Don't bother seeing that reply above, because it is more of the same. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #55

And there is now a new housing bubble in Ca. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #93

Whats the point? Dwayne Hicks Oct 2013 #4

The point may be forthemiddle Oct 2013 #50

Absolutely. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #84

The point is it's a surprise. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #5

It's only a surprise to ignorant people pnwmom Oct 2013 #19

Sweet! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #25

Oh come now. It was only a few weeks ago that BlueStreak Oct 2013 #61

S'what I'm saying cilla4progress Oct 2013 #86

I can give Obama a pass on the early statements, not the recent ones BlueStreak Oct 2013 #95

Your lips to PBO's ear! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #123

Personally I can afford the near tripling of my premiums I am seeing BlueStreak Oct 2013 #131

Gee, anti-ACA propaganda from the LA Times. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #6

It isn't propaganda if it is true. BlueStreak Oct 2013 #41

My individual policy is not real insurance? Really? indie9197 Oct 2013 #137

Yes, the individual plan you were paying for was a scam. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #159

OK, I did some research and perhaps I was naive indie9197 Oct 2013 #162

Wouldn't costs go down eventually treestar Oct 2013 #7

The website poutrage is piddling away...next stop, coverage hysteria, next ??? libdem4life Oct 2013 #8

overpopulation. Last Stand Oct 2013 #160

their rates would have gone up anyway and by more than that. insurance companies have been jacking leftyohiolib Oct 2013 #10

$80,000 a year is middle class? krawhitham Oct 2013 #12

I don't know where you live, but 80K won't allow a family of three truedelphi Oct 2013 #16

Far less than 80k is allowing my brother and ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Oct 2013 #148

The median household income in all those places is high 40s/low 50s Recursion Oct 2013 #33

"Anywhere in California" is not true. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #40

$80K is well above the median household income in any CA city Recursion Oct 2013 #44

even in LA one can live very comfortably on 80k JI7 Oct 2013 #64

Yes-- ONE could. Marr Oct 2013 #149

yes, a family can and MOST do JI7 Oct 2013 #151

Most? Comfortably? Marr Oct 2013 #155

personal experience by living here JI7 Oct 2013 #156

I live here, too. /nt Marr Oct 2013 #157

one can live VERY COMFORTABLY in California on 80k, maybe they can't if they want to send their kids JI7 Oct 2013 #60

you can live good in the DFW Metroplex on 80K snooper2 Oct 2013 #132

80,000 bucks per year??? Jasana Oct 2013 #14

Try living in California - 3 person household in any of the major cities on truedelphi Oct 2013 #22

2 bedroom apartment rent here averaged about $1,500 per month five years ago. Jasana Oct 2013 #28

I had a studio at Back of the Hill for... wait for it... $1200 Recursion Oct 2013 #45

Not surprsing. Jasana Oct 2013 #65

Lower Allston hellhole? Thanks a lot. My father was raised there and I still have virgogal Oct 2013 #119

Then surely you are aware Allston has a lot of hellholes? Recursion Oct 2013 #140

But she makes 80K -- and she's pregnant! pnwmom Oct 2013 #29

Median household income in LA is $60K, so clearly people manage (nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #43

NOT TRUE , i live in CAlifornia and most people live on much less and get by JI7 Oct 2013 #59

Lots of poor people do it Marrah_G Oct 2013 #69

Most people don't realize they were paying real money for crappy insurance plans... TeamPooka Oct 2013 #15

Someone had to fill dkf's gap. nt BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #17

+1...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #127

And she has better coverage... Ruby the Liberal Oct 2013 #21

And this woman is pregnant! She's nuts. pnwmom Oct 2013 #23

Honestly. I would love to see her have to shop on the high risk pool sites ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #26

And babies could be born with preexisting conditions pnwmom Oct 2013 #31

Yup. She is very, very lucky. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #39

Jeez- $80k a year and they can't afford a $238 payment? bhikkhu Oct 2013 #24

LOL BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #32

This overall story is gaining traction in the press. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #27

Yes. We need to do a better job at P.R. pnwmom Oct 2013 #35

The problem is a disingenuous article. Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #38

I hope that none of the people who think $300 a month is too much for pnwmom Oct 2013 #46

$238 a month and they're griping? Drunken Irishman Oct 2013 #30

A lawyer has to pay $238 a month... Boo Fucking Hoo Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #34

And a pregnant lawyer, to boot -- pnwmom Oct 2013 #36

The LA Times never loved him... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #37

But this article is very misleading. They chose to highlight a woman pnwmom Oct 2013 #42

Heretic! leftstreet Oct 2013 #47

When people making above the median income for a locale complain, pnwmom Oct 2013 #57

Yes! Level the playing field! leftstreet Oct 2013 #70

Your twisting of the facts is disgusting. I'm saying that she is BENEFITING pnwmom Oct 2013 #75

Don't tell working people how to spend their money leftstreet Oct 2013 #79

She's already chosen to spend her money on having a baby pnwmom Oct 2013 #81

80% of Americans have healthcare coverage leftstreet Oct 2013 #83

Those insured people are paying higher premiums in order pnwmom Oct 2013 #92

Busted Budgets BKLawyer Oct 2013 #94

My daughter and her husband live in a high cost area pnwmom Oct 2013 #98

I never said ... BKLawyer Oct 2013 #101

She liked her $98 a month payment but it was COMPLETELY INADEQUATE pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

yea rich was adjusted to 450k questionseverything Oct 2013 #115

Exactly - cilla4progress Oct 2013 #90

The woman in the OP will be saving money with her new insurance pnwmom Oct 2013 #118

You may be more patient and far-seeing than I.. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #124

Not everyone will benefit the way she will. pnwmom Oct 2013 #126

She'll end up paying less for health care overall gollygee Oct 2013 #48

And think how much her pregnancy will cost, for all the prenatal visits pnwmom Oct 2013 #58

But isn't that what insurance is for? BKLawyer Oct 2013 #104

Why not let them roll the dice? Because everyone else pays higher premiums pnwmom Oct 2013 #108

There is no chance it would cost her less. gollygee Oct 2013 #135

A person who collects Social Security who on average gets around $1200 a month, $14400 a year Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #49

"Rates would be going up regardless of changes from the healthcare expansion." Cerridwen Oct 2013 #62

I make half what she does and pay almost as much arely staircase Oct 2013 #67

The larger question here is how did they ever find a policy that cost them $98 per month? shraby Oct 2013 #72

Yeah it was probably pretty worthless gollygee Oct 2013 #85

It's hard for me to relate to these articles. mmonk Oct 2013 #73

I guess it's time to recycle ProSense Oct 2013 #74

Poor reporting from the LA Times itsrobert Oct 2013 #80

Blah blah blah. Tired of the whining. It's the LAW Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #88

'experts say' spanone Oct 2013 #89

I'm bothered by the tendency to deny any story that is critical of the ACA. BlueCheese Oct 2013 #91

Facts aren't being tossed aside. Lies are being tossed aside. pnwmom Oct 2013 #114

Percentage wise to income, that is less than hubby and I pay for a supplemental to Medicare policy appleannie1 Oct 2013 #103

with a sup plan my medicare payment would be over 200+ madrchsod Oct 2013 #116

We are lucky. Place where hubby worked lets retired employees get their supplemental from their appleannie1 Oct 2013 #142

Telling millions to smarten up and lower their standard of living seveneyes Oct 2013 #105

The OP is about a pregnant woman who would rather not have insurance pnwmom Oct 2013 #109

Right ... BKLawyer Oct 2013 #112

I live in az an so far these are the estimates I am getting. aznativ Oct 2013 #113

That attorney in the OP does have a pre-existing condition. pnwmom Oct 2013 #117

Speaking of pre-existing conditions aznativ Oct 2013 #122

You can sign up with any insurer now, on or off the exchange, pnwmom Oct 2013 #125

Yea I know aznativ Oct 2013 #128

Did your old policy have annual or lifetime limits? pnwmom Oct 2013 #129

I'm not too sure actually, but aznativ Oct 2013 #161

Her maternity benefits alone will probably be about 3 years worth of her premiums BlueStreak Oct 2013 #133

Exactly. She should be the poster girl for the ACA pnwmom Oct 2013 #134

Maricopa County krawhitham Oct 2013 #120

$75 more aznativ Oct 2013 #121

This thread tells me people don't know what it's like to live in California LittleBlue Oct 2013 #136

Both of my brothers live in Los Angeles. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #139

$80K is well above the median household income for SFO Recursion Oct 2013 #141

it is more than enough, unless you want to send all your kids to private school JI7 Oct 2013 #158

and you guys think these people are are ready for okieinpain Oct 2013 #150

Maybe that $98 plan Turbineguy Nov 2013 #176