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Demo_Chris

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41. Actually, I hope it succeeds wildly...

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:43 PM

Oct 2013

I would not hesitate a second to admit I am dead wrong about the ACA. In fact, I would freaking LOVE being wrong about it.

Time will prove one of us more correct than the other.

And don't compare me to Teaparty republicans. I could not be further from them politically. They oppose the ACA, not because they have some ideological problem with it (they wrote the damn thing in the first place), but because President Obama is the guy who signed it. The irony your position today is this: had I asked you in 2007 what you thought of the provisions in the ACA, you and damn near everyone posting here would have been 100% opposed. President Obama himself would have been opposed -- in fact, he was opposed. You only changed and became a cheerleader when our party proposed and passed it. So here you are now, championing a Heritage Foundation law first proposed by Newt Gingritch and first passed by Mitt Romney, and calling me a Teapartier for maintaining the Liberal position you have abandoned.

Time will prove one of us correct. I expect it will be me, but if not I wont be afraid to admit it. After all, if you're right I still win -- I get affordable healthcare. But if I'm right we all lose.

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Krugman asks: So does this mean that liberals should have insisted on single-payer or nothing? [View all] kpete Oct 2013 OP

I think a lot of liberals did insist on single payer for all the good it did tularetom Oct 2013 #1

I think he means insist the way the tea party does. Threedifferentones Oct 2013 #2

Yes and we didn't get the public option compromise either n/t hootinholler Oct 2013 #5

We believed Obama when he said he was for it during his 1st campaign. L0oniX Oct 2013 #13

They ALL said it! Every single Dem candidate in the primaries had a public option as CTyankee Oct 2013 #16

Joe Lieberman single handedly stopped it as a last resort insurance Warpy Oct 2013 #27

As a CT resident, I am SO ashamed of what Lieberman did to people like you and CTyankee Oct 2013 #47

His should be a name that lives in infamy Warpy Oct 2013 #48

I am so sorry to hear that! CTyankee Oct 2013 #49

I know people online who were foolish enough to vote for him Warpy Oct 2013 #68

well, if you voted for Gore you had to vote for him... CTyankee Oct 2013 #69

It's amazing how much Paul and I think alike! CTyankee Oct 2013 #3

But the public option edhopper Oct 2013 #4

Yep. The apologists just block that part out Doctor_J Oct 2013 #7

Locked in, how? Nine Oct 2013 #18

You think there is any chance they'll give back a guaranteed 20% of a 3 trillion dollar pie? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #21

"they" don't get whatever they want Nine Oct 2013 #26

Stop, you're killing me Doctor_J Oct 2013 #28

because laws can never, ever be changed, right? (nt) Nine Oct 2013 #30

"If the President had insisted" is the way many fairy tales begin. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #35

LOL!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #56

"But Obama was *bought off* by the insurance companies" Kolesar Oct 2013 #52

Lieberman, from the state of CT, home of huge insurance companies, pnwmom Oct 2013 #71

Single payer will be possible starting in 2017 Chathamization Oct 2013 #15

I dunno. Good luck in MIsssissippi...and other states where god knows the people CTyankee Oct 2013 #20

The public option wasn't an option because Lieberman opposed it. pnwmom Oct 2013 #70

My fervent belief is that this is a good first step toward single payer etherealtruth Oct 2013 #6

actually it's a step AWAY FROM single-payer Doctor_J Oct 2013 #8

I actually believe (quite possibly naively) that taking away huge unfettered profits etherealtruth Oct 2013 #9

Health care providers will resist zipplewrath Oct 2013 #22

"Our next best hope is going to be nonprofit health insurance cooperatives." etherealtruth Oct 2013 #24

call us when that happens... MisterP Oct 2013 #67

That's also what happens if you sign up for Medicare Part C or D, and even parts A and B Hoyt Oct 2013 #51

Wrong. The ACA is providing money to the states that want to pnwmom Oct 2013 #72

Then we would have ended up with "nothing." nt kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #10

All or nothing rarely works. former9thward Oct 2013 #11

I agree. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #12

This is the exact point I frequently make here. But I am always surprised how many DUers disagree. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #14

Federalizing health insurance zipplewrath Oct 2013 #23

It's actually a step in the WRONG direction Doctor_J Oct 2013 #29

IMO we're getting Single Payer regardless of the ACA Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #32

What is this bizarre preoccupation with the BOG? There are like 50 people in it, there are tens of geek tragedy Oct 2013 #37

what's a Ted Cruz leftist? Doctor_J Oct 2013 #40

Ted Cruz Left are those who join with Ted Cruz in engaging in hyperbolic, fact-free geek tragedy Oct 2013 #43

Very well said. Don't expect a reply from Obama haters Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #45

Eh, he's just the symbol for the Democratic party they hate. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #46

True that. The Dem party I hate called itself the Republican Party until about 20 years ago Doctor_J Oct 2013 #61

Yes, you started hating the Democratic party when it started winning national elections geek tragedy Oct 2013 #62

Oh, nice try Doctor_J Oct 2013 #65

So, your theory is that McGovern lost because he was too rightwing? geek tragedy Oct 2013 #66

False choice, I never was a single payer or bust sort but still believe that reform TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #17

it's the current paraphrasing of "would you rather have Palin?" Doctor_J Oct 2013 #42

Krugman gets another one right. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #19

Paul Krugman: voice of reason. nt Hekate Oct 2013 #25

In 2007 people said it was impossible for a black man to win the oval office... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #31

So, the Ted Cruz all-or-nothing approach was the right strategy, regardless of outcome? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #34

Poor example... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #38

"insist on x" is inconsistent with "settle for something besides x" geek tragedy Oct 2013 #39

Actually, I hope it succeeds wildly... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #41

You are obviously not aware how Democrats think about health care. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #44

I will leave you with that as the last word... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #50

The only way to single payer is for more people BootinUp Oct 2013 #54

Huh? The way to single payer is for the government to offer a competing plan... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #55

A competing plan will not be forthcoming if ACA is deemed a failure BootinUp Oct 2013 #59

Every liberal should be upset at the errors. But a noisy, obnoxious few are rooting for failure. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #33

Um, didn't they? eom uppityperson Oct 2013 #36

A good public option would have become single payer. D23MIURG23 Oct 2013 #53

Krugman: "Single-payer wasn�t going to happen" JoePhilly Oct 2013 #57

If people would stop fixating on "single payer" Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #58

Nah. The Public Option that the president campaigned on would have been fine Doctor_J Oct 2013 #63

I disagree Bunnahabhain Oct 2013 #64

Paul K. PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #60