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In reply to the discussion: Krugman asks: So does this mean that liberals should have insisted on single-payer or nothing? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)43. Ted Cruz Left are those who join with Ted Cruz in engaging in hyperbolic, fact-free
attacks on the ACA while insisting that their brand of ideological purity distinguishes the infidels from 'real Democrats.'
To the Ted Cruz left, even Bernie Sanders is too far rightwing to be considered a 'real Dem' since he brags about his role in helping pass the ACA.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/176599/week-poverty-what-defunding-obamacare-really-means#
But Sanders knew Democrats desperately needed his vote. He used that leverage in a successful fight to increase funding for community health centerscomprehensive clinics in medically underserved areas that provide doctors, dentists, mental health counselors and prescription drugs on a sliding-scale fee so that nobody is turned away.
In the end, Sanders helped to pass the ACAlegislation that Republicans are now so desperate to repeal that they have shut down the government and put the full faith and credit of the US in jeopardy. Yesterday on Capitol Hill, Sanders held a forum to spell out exactly what the consequences would be if Republicans were to have their way and the ACA were nixed.
He noted that we are [still] the only country in the industrialized world that doesnt guarantee healthcare to people as a right. As a result, there are 48 million Americans without health insurance. Under the ACA, 20 million currently uninsured people will finally receive coverage (more if GOP governors get out of the way) and thousands of lives will be saved every year as these individuals no longer delay or forgo healthcare.
Sanders pointed to a Harvard study that estimates 45,000 people are dying each year from illnesses that arise due to a lack of health insurance.
Nobody can come up with an exact figure, but it is absolutely indisputable that if we deny the health insurance that 20 million Americans will get under the Affordable Care Act, at the very least thousands and thousands of our fellow Americans will die, said Sanders. For all of those folks saying we have to repeal the Affordable Care Act, what they are doing is passing a death sentence on many of our fellow Americans.
In the end, Sanders helped to pass the ACAlegislation that Republicans are now so desperate to repeal that they have shut down the government and put the full faith and credit of the US in jeopardy. Yesterday on Capitol Hill, Sanders held a forum to spell out exactly what the consequences would be if Republicans were to have their way and the ACA were nixed.
He noted that we are [still] the only country in the industrialized world that doesnt guarantee healthcare to people as a right. As a result, there are 48 million Americans without health insurance. Under the ACA, 20 million currently uninsured people will finally receive coverage (more if GOP governors get out of the way) and thousands of lives will be saved every year as these individuals no longer delay or forgo healthcare.
Sanders pointed to a Harvard study that estimates 45,000 people are dying each year from illnesses that arise due to a lack of health insurance.
Nobody can come up with an exact figure, but it is absolutely indisputable that if we deny the health insurance that 20 million Americans will get under the Affordable Care Act, at the very least thousands and thousands of our fellow Americans will die, said Sanders. For all of those folks saying we have to repeal the Affordable Care Act, what they are doing is passing a death sentence on many of our fellow Americans.
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Krugman asks: So does this mean that liberals should have insisted on single-payer or nothing? [View all]
kpete
Oct 2013
OP
They ALL said it! Every single Dem candidate in the primaries had a public option as
CTyankee
Oct 2013
#16
As a CT resident, I am SO ashamed of what Lieberman did to people like you and
CTyankee
Oct 2013
#47
You think there is any chance they'll give back a guaranteed 20% of a 3 trillion dollar pie?
Doctor_J
Oct 2013
#21
I dunno. Good luck in MIsssissippi...and other states where god knows the people
CTyankee
Oct 2013
#20
I actually believe (quite possibly naively) that taking away huge unfettered profits
etherealtruth
Oct 2013
#9
"Our next best hope is going to be nonprofit health insurance cooperatives."
etherealtruth
Oct 2013
#24
That's also what happens if you sign up for Medicare Part C or D, and even parts A and B
Hoyt
Oct 2013
#51
This is the exact point I frequently make here. But I am always surprised how many DUers disagree.
Nye Bevan
Oct 2013
#14
What is this bizarre preoccupation with the BOG? There are like 50 people in it, there are tens of
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#37
Ted Cruz Left are those who join with Ted Cruz in engaging in hyperbolic, fact-free
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#43
True that. The Dem party I hate called itself the Republican Party until about 20 years ago
Doctor_J
Oct 2013
#61
Yes, you started hating the Democratic party when it started winning national elections
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#62
False choice, I never was a single payer or bust sort but still believe that reform
TheKentuckian
Oct 2013
#17
In 2007 people said it was impossible for a black man to win the oval office...
Demo_Chris
Oct 2013
#31
So, the Ted Cruz all-or-nothing approach was the right strategy, regardless of outcome? nt
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#34
Huh? The way to single payer is for the government to offer a competing plan...
Demo_Chris
Oct 2013
#55
Every liberal should be upset at the errors. But a noisy, obnoxious few are rooting for failure.
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#33