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CrispyQ

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127. Perhaps at some point you will expand on your thoughts in an original post.

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:45 AM

Oct 2013

What questions do you ask? What framing does the radical right respond to, that you question? Do you frame issues in a way that you've found to be effective in piercing their ideology?

My biggest issue with reaching out to the right, is how they shut down as soon as you provide facts/sources for your claims & almost always respond, "Well, both sides do it." Then it's conversation over.

In his book Moral Politics, George Lakoff, the left's Frank Luntz, if we would just use him(!), says that the left is perplexed that the right isn't swayed by facts, because generally, we are swayed by facts. He says that's why framing has been so successful with the right, because it's a sound bite, not a fact, but it's short & concise & most importantly, validates their world view. Like Sarah Palin's "death panels" descriptive.

Not to say that I'm not also guilty of preferring people/articles that agree with my view, but I do try to keep an open mind & always be willing to question my current world view.

All rambling aside, welcome to DU! Looking forward to reading more from you.

on edit: What motivated you to start questioning & seeking?

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I can't believe how much my family has changed after being brainwashed by the GOP. [View all] Maraya1969 Oct 2013 OP

The RW Hatemonger Media constantly pounds away with their wedge lpbk2713 Oct 2013 #1

And they have lost the ability to look at themselves. It is like how Hitler got all those Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #4

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Welcome to DU tconer. reflection Oct 2013 #118

Great honest post. go west young man Oct 2013 #123

Perhaps at some point you will expand on your thoughts in an original post. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #127

I wish your transformation will happen to more and more people. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #136

Congrats and welcome! Michigan Alum Oct 2013 #150

My mom, who is old enough to remember, was just saying this same thing! Dustlawyer Oct 2013 #87

not really hfojvt Oct 2013 #93

Yup. thats what RW propaganda does to people. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #2

I know the feeling Joe Bacon Oct 2013 #48

I would write back to my mother, repeating what you told us here... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #3

I did write that back to her. And she just called and tried to defend herself and said that those Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #6

Bullies frequently say their victims 'can't take a joke.' It's how they justify their behavior. Shrike47 Oct 2013 #14

On the bright side, she did a good job raising you. Keep at her. There's a decent person under the Squinch Oct 2013 #15

If you are reading this Maraya LiberalLovinLug Oct 2013 #38

Well, thank you. Squinch Oct 2013 #66

They get these people in the attack mode classykaren Oct 2013 #109

"...can't take a joke." CrispyQ Oct 2013 #129

It really is a shame meadowlark5 Oct 2013 #5

I feel for you kickitup Oct 2013 #13

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I thought the same thing... KansDem Oct 2013 #99

I have a client I have worked with weekly for three years. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #131

I blame television for a lot of this, too. It's all cruelty and humiliation now. arcane1 Oct 2013 #7

you are so right, it is truly horrifying nt Tumbulu Oct 2013 #85

You have my sympathy. Ednahilda Oct 2013 #8

My Father was a Phd, professor, Dept Chair, and Dean at a major state university. AAO Oct 2013 #42

My daughter and her husband have a friend like that. murielm99 Oct 2013 #56

Really makes you wonder about the definition of intelligence. AAO Oct 2013 #58

Not Dad. Ednahilda Oct 2013 #121

Can he drink a glass of red wine a night? I've been reading that besides all its other benefits Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #143

I don't know if he does now, Ednahilda Oct 2013 #151

"Republicans don't have a sense of humor... alterfurz Oct 2013 #9

Did anyone of those three, Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #10

I have noticed this phenoma also the longer the commute the more right wing they are kimbutgar Oct 2013 #57

I listen to NPR and WBIA Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #74

Yes! reflection Oct 2013 #120

I know where you're going with that. Blanks Oct 2013 #80

To a big extent it's because anger is addictive Fumesucker Oct 2013 #97

I know I like to listen to talk radio because it feels like someone is with me. Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #141

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How old is your mom? mzteris Oct 2013 #11

She is 82 and very active, has friends and lives with her boyfriend. I can trace this all to the Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #16

I was shocked when my boyfriend's brothers girlfriend riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #28

I'm in NJ Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #116

the best reply grasswire Oct 2013 #12

Welcome to my world Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #17

I have lost 2 friends too & they would not stop mentioning RW talk points so I now avoid them lunasun Oct 2013 #45

I know what you mean Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #67

Right wing media doesn't really provide actual arguments, just "talking points" and buzzwords. Mayberry Machiavelli Oct 2013 #128

I feel your pain treestar Oct 2013 #18

The latest from the GOP is they are the heroes of white people being in charge. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #19

Exactly - they are forming the Radical White as a voting base who will make sure only insecure white lunasun Oct 2013 #39

What's most disgusting about all of this is seeing Democrats trying to save them. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #52

My bro-in-law has become a gun nut since he hurt his back... Tikki Oct 2013 #20

I had a break in riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #27

He lives in the King of Gated Communities� Tikki Oct 2013 #29

does sound like mental decline riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #68

It does�he is such a great guy.. Tikki Oct 2013 #71

What would happen if you just got him a dog? Get a puppy from the pound. It will start Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #142

We kind of have that planned�We are getting a little dog soon and plan to.. Tikki Oct 2013 #145

I am sorry but her life may be at risk classykaren Oct 2013 #111

We know..it is a deep concern. Tikki Oct 2013 #125

Dog is absolutely the way to go Cosmocat Oct 2013 #134

My father and one of my friends is EXACTLY the same way Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #30

People change. Rain Mcloud Oct 2013 #22

my mother would hang up on me when I said Obama riverbendviewgal Oct 2013 #23

I saw your post before but I missed the part about your mother. I am really Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #146

My family has always been the voice of reason, guess I was lucky.... Thucydides Oct 2013 #24

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wow Skittles Oct 2013 #91

The American Far Right� has been actively cultivating cruelty and intolerance for years now. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #32

RW radio and Fox changed my mom on me too. I feel your pain. nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #33

Mine, too! narnian60 Oct 2013 #60

I am truly sorry this has happened to your family. Jasana Oct 2013 #34

2 liberal ( well they seemed it for years.. ) friends have gone total RW lunasun Oct 2013 #36

It really does change people-- and never for the better. Marr Oct 2013 #41

you should remind her that.... madrchsod Oct 2013 #43

Do you think FAUX is transmitting subliminal hate messages? Tigress DEM Oct 2013 #44

I read years ago that in the 50's the CIA developed techniques to brainwash people subliminally kimbutgar Oct 2013 #61

+1000000 Chrom Oct 2013 #152

The GOP can only thrive when there's division, bigotry, suspicion and hate of Lex Oct 2013 #62

Subliminal? It's their entire reason for being Doctor_J Oct 2013 #63

That's interesting. I wonder if they do send subliminal messages. Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #72

"If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." Iris Oct 2013 #46

Can definitely relate. silverweb Oct 2013 #47

Personally I'm COMPLETELY SICK As I Continue To See ChiciB1 Oct 2013 #49

I'm pretty lucky, I guess. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #50

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I think you are right. narnian60 Oct 2013 #64

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I hear you Maraya and I sympathize Skittles Oct 2013 #65

Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the whole right-wing infotainment industrial complex who created a false Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #69

Have you pointed out to them how they've changed, or is that a bad idea? polichick Oct 2013 #70

Oh yes. And she tells me how she has always been a republican and I remind her Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #73

I'm sorry - it must be pretty disturbing... polichick Oct 2013 #77

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I lost my mother and my inheritance over this Link Speed Oct 2013 #82

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My Sister and Mother WiffenPoof Oct 2013 #100

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kindly classykaren Oct 2013 #104

Hate is for the mentally lazy n/t the_sly_pig Oct 2013 #105

This is a particularly disturbing thread. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #107

SAD Mr Dixon Oct 2013 #108

re:I can't believe how much my family has changed after being brainwashed by the GOP. allan01 Oct 2013 #110

My mother... mgardener Oct 2013 #112

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In response to your first line in OP heaven05 Oct 2013 #113

It has happen to a lot of my friends Pakid Oct 2013 #114

Hate is a terrible drug that can take away our soul rurallib Oct 2013 #115

Same thing happened to my mom abelenkpe Oct 2013 #117

Not a big deal, imo. Dash87 Oct 2013 #119

It happened in my family, too. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #124

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Thanks! snot Oct 2013 #149

I haven't seen most of my family in 10 years ... Myrina Oct 2013 #130

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And I thought it was just me... Chrom Oct 2013 #135

I have grown old and haven't been brainwashed by rw shit. It is these people's f'g choice DeschutesRiver Oct 2013 #137

Isn't the path to citizenship the repubs are screaming EC Oct 2013 #138

I have completely blocked Fux Noise from all the TVs in my house. Initech Oct 2013 #139

Prolonged (and unrefuted) propaganda works SoCalDem Oct 2013 #144