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GliderGuider

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78. Yes, it is an important discussion.

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:36 PM

Oct 2013

I think that the real issue that needs examination is not so much the specifics of what the NSA is doing, or Snowden's moral character. The big deal in these revelations is just how little oversight and how few boundaries are placed on the activities of the intelligence community. When you're the most powerful nation in the world, acting with such impunity is a bad idea from any point on the compass. Yes, you need intelligence. But it has to be under firm control, or shit happens. It's not under control, and so shit is happening.

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WaPo opinion: Edward Snowden is no traitor [View all] GliderGuider Oct 2013 OP

Meh. Richard Cohen is a racist hack of the first order, so I make it a point geek tragedy Oct 2013 #1

But he's correct on this one. Edward Snowden is a HERO. chimpymustgo Oct 2013 #4

He never says he's a hero. randome Oct 2013 #5

No, he doesn't; I do. Edward Snowden is a principled, courageous HERO, chimpymustgo Oct 2013 #8

He's also naive, used, and stuck in Russia brush Oct 2013 #12

These guys agree! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #20

Hitler was a vegetarian, you know. EOTE Oct 2013 #55

!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #59

OMG This is really pathetic nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #69

!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #70

Oh, Jesus, not this shit again NuclearDem Oct 2013 #72

I just wonder if he would have done this if George Bush were President? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #28

I just wonder if you would have done all you have if George Bush were President. n/t Wilms Oct 2013 #29

Bullshit... he's a tool and a traitor. nt Adrahil Oct 2013 #48

The judge who provides analysis for Fox News disagrees with you... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #50

He is damaging our international relations daily. F him. He deserves to rot in jail. Adrahil Oct 2013 #71

Or maybe it's the shit we're doing that's harming our international relations. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #73

Wrong? :/ Adrahil Oct 2013 #75

So how do you reconcile the FACT that the NSA wasnt telling Obama riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #77

Thanks for kicking the thread! GliderGuider Oct 2013 #74

That's great if you're five. Adrahil Oct 2013 #76

Yes, it is an important discussion. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #78

OK, on to a better discussion... good! Adrahil Oct 2013 #81

IMO, Snowden's revelations have all been in the long-term interests of democracy and the USA GliderGuider Oct 2013 #82

And I disagree. Adrahil Oct 2013 #84

Well, I certainly can't argue with an opinion like that. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #85

Not just racist alp227 Oct 2013 #34

That's too bad because he is apologizing for joining Dick Cheney sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #57

Kicked and recommended for valid points. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #2

You're welcome. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #6

How does this guy know he passed up "easy money?" MADem Oct 2013 #3

That is NOT NOT NOT an editorial. It's an opinion piece cali Oct 2013 #7

Why yes, yes, yes it is an opinion piece. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #9

you changed it AFTER I posted. ack. cali Oct 2013 #13

Nope. No edits to the OP. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #15

I clearly am confused and I'm wrong. My apologies. cali Oct 2013 #16

Apology accepted. No problem. nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #17

The same Richard Cohen that supports STOP AND FRISK? BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #10

Well, he admitted he was wrong about this, maybe he'll admit he was wrong about that too. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #14

Do you have similar objections to Fox News saying it? GliderGuider Oct 2013 #51

He's somewhere between . . . brush Oct 2013 #11

Your continued assumption that this story is finished is amusing and naive riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #18

We'll see brush Oct 2013 #19

Nope. No hero worship. BUT no immediate ASSumptions about the situation at this stage nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #23

And if you've notice my other posts on Snowden . . . brush Oct 2013 #25

If you knew who Thomas Drake is you would notice the reason he'd laugh at your assertion. Wilms Oct 2013 #30

See post #21 below. brush Oct 2013 #37

My "hero"? Wilms Oct 2013 #41

Anything other than agreeing with brush that Snowden is a patsy and an idiot riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #54

And without abandoning his fiance and parents. randome Oct 2013 #31

Don't forget the boxes in his garage, bvar22 Oct 2013 #66

As before there's no small contingent who believe Snowden wouldn't have survived riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #33

Still say he could have exposed NSA anonymously. nt brush Oct 2013 #36

Yeah. James Bond you. I think you've watched too many movies nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #38

Anybody can buy a disposable cell phone and call a reporter. brush Oct 2013 #43

Go for it Bond. Your clearly the expert. riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #44

No, Snowden was supposed to be the computer expert . . . brush Oct 2013 #45

Well GOSHITY UP MY ASS! sibelian Oct 2013 #52

Well thanks for the nice words. brush Oct 2013 #61

I think Snowden is more of a well-intentioned, juvenile fuck-up than anything else. gulliver Oct 2013 #21

No, but perhaps a more moral agent than James Clapper. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #22

Links to jobs lost and careers ruined please via Snowden? nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #24

You again brush Oct 2013 #26

Back it up with facts and not ASSumptions nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #27

You mean all those those who's screw-ups opened the floodgate to Snowden? Wilms Oct 2013 #32

Promotions? I doubt it . . . brush Oct 2013 #35

I'm hung up unreasonable search. Wilms Oct 2013 #39

"He thought he was being a hero, and he wasn't." That pretty well sums up your rhett o rick Oct 2013 #60

Snowden�s Courage He is brilliant, humble and idealistic. G_j Oct 2013 #40

Patsy, traitor, and tea party hater. ucrdem Oct 2013 #42

Kick, all but surprised at responses nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #46

all free people owe Edward Snowden a profound debt of gratitude - whatever he is - Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #47

Even Faux News' tame judge says the same thing! GliderGuider Oct 2013 #49

Kick bobduca Oct 2013 #53

Maybe it's gotten harder to argue with the results. You can't smear reality... nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #58

Kick nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #56

Snowden Politics makes for Strange Bedfellows saynotoplutocrats Oct 2013 #62

+1. Good noticing! nt GliderGuider Oct 2013 #63

OMFG!! He's a hero to China. He stopped the summit where Obama had absolute proof of okaawhatever Oct 2013 #64

OK, whatever... GliderGuider Oct 2013 #65

LOL. The Hard Core Deniers are still at it! bvar22 Oct 2013 #67

Yeah, the dog-whistle is starting to lose its pitch. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #68

Al Qaeda knows our methods thanks to him Kolesar Oct 2013 #79

We need more "traitors" like him and Manning. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #80

Al Qaeda knows our methods thanks to him eom Kolesar Oct 2013 #83