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139. Sputter sputter how dare you list of links to glenn greenwald and a series of articles that might be

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 06:24 PM

Oct 2013

possibly construed as evidence of something something something. Absolute conclusion, personal smear, herd of absolute conclusion believers agreeing, argument over.

I went to the first link on that long, long list the gentleperson above posted, and then I went to the last link on that long, long list. I drilled down through every supporting link in the two articles those Greenwald posts were based on, and this is what I found:

A lot of speculation, a lot of unnamed sources, a lot of 'clearly this indicates' and 'obvious conclusion' topped with a herd of right-wing 'Benghazi!1' comments from Birther cheerleaders.

MineralMan, you're on target, and I'm right with you. Obama is human, but he's a good human. I trust him altogether unblindly, just 'cause I read and have decent critical-thinking skills.

So much 'blah-blah-blah therefore' going on. Ridiculous conspiracy crap from people that probably still think the moon landings were faked, even though we can now view the footprints in high-def.

Primates. Sigh.

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Is it just me, or do many of the objections to the Obama Administration [View all] MineralMan Oct 2013 OP

Nope. It's not just you! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #1

Thanks! MineralMan Oct 2013 #2

No, it's a stupid OP. woo me with science Oct 2013 #77

1) Yes. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #83

Not interested in you or your links. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #85

So you're not interested in facts? Rather just be blind to reality? cui bono Oct 2013 #97

Too bad. Lots to learn from them so one can make informed posts. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #168

I make "informed" votes. I vote for Democrats, like the TOS says. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #179

What has that to do with posting on a discussion board? Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #186

I can see the foam at the edges of your mouth Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #91

All I see is a hefty dose of reality. cui bono Oct 2013 #99

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #108

That is so funny. LMAO! Funny funny funny! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #104

Thank you, this was sorely needed!!! Scuba Oct 2013 #92

I thank you for your thank you post. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #111

+1,000,000 cui bono Oct 2013 #94

Plus fucking one! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #102

no, it's the subjective ravings of someone with an agenda--not promotion of objective reality Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #103

You did not rebut any of the points Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #169

Fact Based Reality is oft fredamae Oct 2013 #119

fact based reality... stillcool Oct 2013 #187

ah, its so nice to see people being ,well,nice DiverDave Oct 2013 #148

Excellent post! Kermitt Gribble Oct 2013 #151

+44 million Excellent post! Thank You solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #156

Nice list of PPR'd trolls. joshcryer Oct 2013 #188

... xchrom Oct 2013 #220

It's definitely not just you dennis4868 Oct 2013 #3

I'm relieved. Thanks. MineralMan Oct 2013 #4

some of it is a matter of a person's disposition Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #5

I suppose you're right. There's always suspicion about MineralMan Oct 2013 #9

hear hear! I don't understand them either. They often sound like seriously unhappy folk Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #18

I don't like to speculate about the motives of DUers. MineralMan Oct 2013 #20

that's why I threw out what i would consider 3 of the most likely possibilities Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #25

That negativity has been going on since the 2008 election, MineralMan Oct 2013 #28

What you said can also be attributed to those who support every single thing Obama does. cui bono Oct 2013 #39

see? I think we've successfully created domains which cover nearly 100% of DU Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #43

What drew you to register last year Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #170

Been here a lot longer than that... Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #174

Oh I was going by the date on your profile Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #175

nope I think pretty much the same thing kydo Oct 2013 #6

Speculative outrage has always been popular around here. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #7

But, if it keeps being wrong, isn't there reason to take another MineralMan Oct 2013 #13

Well, you could post a list of links regarding ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #21

Cat Food! Whisp Oct 2013 #8

Speaking of which, I'm going to have to run out MineralMan Oct 2013 #10

What? You ran out of cat food? Brigid Oct 2013 #105

You are not alone with that thought, MineralMan. sheshe2 Oct 2013 #11

Thank you very much. MineralMan Oct 2013 #14

K & R, very good post Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #12

Thank you. I know I can count on you to help in 2014! MineralMan Oct 2013 #15

Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #16

Well, I'm outraged that not enough people may show up to MineralMan Oct 2013 #19

A repeat of 2010 would be a death knell for the U.S. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #24

Very true. cui bono Oct 2013 #49

Exactly, because hair-on-fire screeching that "shit might happen" is absolutely irrefutable. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #52

I saw a UNICORN ... prove I didn't!!! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #71

Gitmo's still open, with torture force-feeding, drone strikes morningfog Oct 2013 #17

You are correct. They were started in the last administration MineralMan Oct 2013 #23

True, so far as it goes . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #48

I'm disturbed by the drone policy. I understand the thinking, MineralMan Oct 2013 #51

Agreed . . . markpkessinger Oct 2013 #64

OK. Your objections are warranted. MineralMan Oct 2013 #67

Why would you be disturbed by the drone policy? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #93

Sure, cause MM asked for "silence". JoePhilly Oct 2013 #26

I never ask for silence, as you know. I'm turning my focus on MineralMan Oct 2013 #30

Exactly my point. If you challange their speculative outrage ... JoePhilly Oct 2013 #33

That is a failure of understanding or a failure to read the actual MineralMan Oct 2013 #37

Agree ... Keep up the good work! JoePhilly Oct 2013 #45

I'm terrified of the far right... not the Obama administration... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #22

Yes, but we must regain control of the House. MineralMan Oct 2013 #27

Absolutely. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #29

So we should wait until bad stuff has happened or is set into law before we speak up? cui bono Oct 2013 #31

Of course not. I never do that. I'm always communicating my MineralMan Oct 2013 #32

I didn't say you, personally, did anything. I don't see why you are worried about people speaking cui bono Oct 2013 #44

Indeed. Wilms Oct 2013 #34

I criticized it from the beginning. MineralMan Oct 2013 #38

Please define "beginning" as used here. n/t Wilms Oct 2013 #46

Which implies you did not criticize it before it began. zeemike Oct 2013 #126

Good one, Wilms! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #122

Exactly. Wilms Oct 2013 #163

+1000 eom Purveyor Oct 2013 #137

It is hyperbole to assume some stuff of Obama. joshcryer Oct 2013 #189

"without assuring there would be concessions", LOL! Wilms Oct 2013 #222

Dubya's administration hadn't been in office "for years" before 9/11 Fumesucker Oct 2013 #226

Years before the invasion. joshcryer Oct 2013 #228

It's definitely NOT just you. There is a dedicated cadre infesting this forum ... 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #35

That's how democracy works. Speaking out. cui bono Oct 2013 #59

Riiight. No one is here to shit on a Democratic President. There are no trolls. 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #84

So you're speaking of obvious RW trolls then? I don't understand then. cui bono Oct 2013 #87

I'm so proud! Enthusiast Oct 2013 #127

I think it's more a question of disappointment at lost potential. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #36

I was disappointed, too, with the failure of single payer to get much of a hearing. MineralMan Oct 2013 #47

He's learned at least a few lessons. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #75

I have to be careful how I respond here Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #40

How's the food at that FEMA camp, by the way? MineralMan Oct 2013 #53

It's all provided by Mr.Bill Oct 2013 #62

Yuck! I'll be careful not to be sent there, then. MineralMan Oct 2013 #65

Obama has done many things that are worth a whole bunch of criticism, so its no wonder progressives quinnox Oct 2013 #41

Along with many things that are worthy of praise. MineralMan Oct 2013 #54

And he has done many things that are worth applause Whisp Oct 2013 #56

I think it's increasingly clear that those who expected any Administration elected in 2008.... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #42

I'm an old man. I don't expect radically different results MineralMan Oct 2013 #58

These threads usually signal something shitty is about to happen leftstreet Oct 2013 #50

My threads? My threads don't signal anything, except MineralMan Oct 2013 #60

LOL no, not you personally leftstreet Oct 2013 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #95

An ugly personal insult that adds nothing to the discussion. Why do that? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #107

I removed it. I hope you'll be chastizing your comrade in arms Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #109

I have no idea what the fuck you mean, and yet it is another cheap pointless insult from Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #158

Right back at you. You could have PM'd me Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #159

I don't PM rude folks. I also did not alert on you. Could have. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #212

It's part of his repertoire. cui bono Oct 2013 #114

IKR!? Rex Oct 2013 #120

I see the negative continuing, if some thinks the negative is so bad and effort is not placed in Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #55

I think you are conflating criticism and warnings with apathy. cui bono Oct 2013 #81

Wrong again. Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #166

And boy howdy, you really proved it didn't you! What a detailed and insightful response. cui bono Oct 2013 #171

Quit guessing about what I think, you are not very good, you miss most all the time, I hope you Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #176

I'm not guessing. I use the term "I think" so as not to sound accusatory. cui bono Oct 2013 #184

Civil manner? When i post one thing and yiur answer is to add your thoughts and say this is Thinkingabout Oct 2013 #207

You have no idea how discussions work, do you? cui bono Oct 2013 #208

Honestly Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Oct 2013 #225

You're right. My dissatisfaction is about the things that haven't happened. bvar22 Oct 2013 #57

Thanks for your reply. MineralMan Oct 2013 #63

content free response. Why play at being thoughtful cali Oct 2013 #73

Fantastic post bvar! cui bono Oct 2013 #72

"Forewarned is Forearmed".....and that is the answer to the OP KoKo Oct 2013 #79

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #86

That was a beautiful response right there. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #131

Finish the sentence, please! WHY didn't those protections happen? Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #199

Great post, bvar! Kermitt Gribble Oct 2013 #152

+100000000000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #155

Thanks to the Republicans. joshcryer Oct 2013 #190

Oh? Please inform us exactly HOW the Republicans obstructed: bvar22 Oct 2013 #218

I might. joshcryer Oct 2013 #229

Republican Defenders? bvar22 Oct 2013 #231

The ones blaming Democrats for demonstrably GOP failures? joshcryer Oct 2013 #239

Yes. People responding to facts with unsupported fantisies always strikes a nerve with me. bvar22 Oct 2013 #241

A mixture zipplewrath Oct 2013 #61

Not just you, MinMan. GOTV 2014... Hekate Oct 2013 #66

Some of it is a party problem. progressoid Oct 2013 #69

I'll be away from the thread for a couple of hours. MineralMan Oct 2013 #70

Others will be checking in Hekate Oct 2013 #89

So sorry, perhaps you might prefer a private chat room? cui bono Oct 2013 #100

Oh, cui bono, I didn't know you felt that way about me! Hekate Oct 2013 #130

LOL! MineralMan Oct 2013 #192

Don't forget the cat food. Brigid Oct 2013 #121

NOT you, MM. elleng Oct 2013 #74

Let me get back to you on that after we bomb, Syria lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #76

Funny you mention SS because Obama has put that on the table, it's in his budget. cui bono Oct 2013 #78

Not funny in a good way. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #96

Not this shit again. What an absurd OP. woo me with science Oct 2013 #80

Slam dunk! cui bono Oct 2013 #82

Thanks for the reality check - looks like this thread sorely needed it! polichick Oct 2013 #115

Gotcher list right HERE! truebluegreen Oct 2013 #144

what's absurd is folks making judgements based on headlines Egnever Oct 2013 #157

Wow! That's twice in one night you have absolutely nailed it. Well done! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #167

So, you're not interested in efforts to elect a Democratic majority MineralMan Oct 2013 #193

Was not the appointment of the virulently right wing Simpson-Bowles Commission primarily to give indepat Oct 2013 #88

Excellent post........nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #133

Thank, I try, but often get rebuffed in my anti-right-wing tirades indepat Oct 2013 #138

GOTV 2014! K&R jazzimov Oct 2013 #90

I think it has something to do with the solidification of bedrock and the metamorphic state of adirondacker Oct 2013 #98

Many items that have been floated got enough public backlash... glowing Oct 2013 #101

Probably just you and a couple of other people. Rex Oct 2013 #106

correction Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #110

No about 5 or 6 at most. Rex Oct 2013 #112

you've already been proven wrong by preceding thread responses Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #113

Aww did you get a sadz at the truth? Rex Oct 2013 #117

I notice you're the one who keeps revising your number upward Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #124

I know it rubs you raw. Rex Oct 2013 #128

Link? cui bono Oct 2013 #116

IT will just be self-deleted my morning. Rex Oct 2013 #118

why would you say that? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #123

Tell me who is this 'we' you are always using in your replies, first. Rex Oct 2013 #125

Yeah, why would he say that? I mean your track record isn't so good when it comes to backing up cui bono Oct 2013 #172

I seem to be the only one that will compromise on the numbers. Rex Oct 2013 #224

Fellow Democrats on a Democratic board? bvar22 Oct 2013 #230

It should be illegal for parties to obstruct LittleGirl Oct 2013 #129

Sanity and the truth. Rex Oct 2013 #132

I find how you phrased your title quite interesting cali Oct 2013 #134

Negativity and Progressivism simply don't go together. tridim Oct 2013 #135

Please respond to post number 88. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #136

Sputter sputter how dare you list of links to glenn greenwald and a series of articles that might be byronius Oct 2013 #139

Thanks so much! A great man, indeed. He will be one of the greatest presidents we've ever had... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #181

Thanks for that! MineralMan Oct 2013 #194

Right. We don't know what's in the TPP deal, but that's not a problem stupidicus Oct 2013 #140

To Me It's About Shooting Down Trial Baloons... WillyT Oct 2013 #141

excellent point nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #149

Lazy critics will make stuff up rather than looking deeper for real things to criticize. True Blue Door Oct 2013 #142

Has the Democratic President put cuts to Social Security On-the-Table in budget negotiations? bvar22 Oct 2013 #161

Being against bargaining is a valid position. True Blue Door Oct 2013 #165

Well said! loyalsister Oct 2013 #238

"Willingness to bargain" with Social Security IS attacking Social Security. bvar22 Oct 2013 #240

He DID keep his promise. True Blue Door Oct 2013 #242

It's you. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #143

re: GOTV arely staircase Oct 2013 #145

Terrific! Keep working and we'll win. MineralMan Oct 2013 #195

yeah, that and things that started EC Oct 2013 #146

The outraged will always be outraged. Thor_MN Oct 2013 #147

You're not alone... giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #150

Ya know, my objections to nuclear war Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #153

'what do you mean...?' spanone Oct 2013 #154

Ditto for me too! Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #160

Man how I love the trash thread function! Puglover Oct 2013 #162

It's just you, reality happens. Corruption Inc Oct 2013 #164

There is the matter of the drones, but Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #173

Symptoms of ODS for sure. Those who "oh noes!!!" before facts become available. Acting on emotion... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #177

Do you really want people to use the term Obamabot? n/t cui bono Oct 2013 #185

Oh please! It's been used anyway, so be my guest if it makes you feel superior. Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #198

Whether or not a term applies or not is not the issue. cui bono Oct 2013 #209

Lack of maturity, like accusing someone of walking blindly behind Obama Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #216

I don't really use that term, so I don't know. Why do you think I equated it with ODS? cui bono Oct 2013 #227

No MM ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #178

Thank you. I'll keep going. MineralMan Oct 2013 #196

I agree. bravenak Oct 2013 #180

It ain't just you, baby, don't worry. No matter how many nasty, rude comments you get... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #182

Churn Chaos, create confusion, and then negotiate. Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #183

if the public didn't oppose attacking Syria or Iran, if the public didn't speak out against chained Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #191

I'm a long view kind of guy, you see. MineralMan Oct 2013 #197

Democracy works by pressure - Any administration of any party is going to have enormous pressure Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #201

Not only do I agree with Douglas, I would add that his view is more encouraging of participation Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #211

Oh, like liberals don't do the same thing! Courtesy Flush Oct 2013 #200

GOTFV indeed. riqster Oct 2013 #202

That's how I feel, too. MineralMan Oct 2013 #203

That, for me, is the lesson of this century. riqster Oct 2013 #206

Just you Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #204

OK, you're just wasting my time now. sibelian Oct 2013 #205

Thanks for letting me know... MineralMan Oct 2013 #213

I'm grateful for the Obama administration. Some of their policies, I find objectionable. Autumn Oct 2013 #210

Good post. See, there's a difference between disagreeing with some of his policies Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2013 #217

I think most people on DU feel that way. Even the critics Autumn Oct 2013 #219

I agree. Rex Oct 2013 #223

NOT just you MM. I used to lament that all this subversive effort could be used to get out the vote. great white snark Oct 2013 #214

Thanks. We'll win this, I'm sure. MineralMan Oct 2013 #215

It's not just you! CakeGrrl Oct 2013 #232

Thanks so much for kicking this thread. MineralMan Oct 2013 #233

Jon Stewart Syndrome (JSS). randome Oct 2013 #234

Could be. There are probably other reasons for going all MineralMan Oct 2013 #235

Not at all loyalsister Oct 2013 #236

Thanks for getting serious about 2014! MineralMan Oct 2013 #237