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WillyT

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Mon Oct 28, 2013, 06:52 PM Oct 2013

Is Glenn Greenwald the Future of News? - Bill Keller/NYT [View all]

Is Glenn Greenwald the Future of News?
Much of the speculation about the future of news focuses on the business model: How will we generate the revenues to pay the people who gather and disseminate the news? But the disruptive power of the Internet raises other profound questions about what journalism is becoming, about its essential character and values. This week’s column is a conversation — a (mostly) civil argument — between two very different views of how journalism fulfills its mission.

Glenn Greenwald broke what is probably the year’s biggest news story, Edward Snowden’s revelations of the vast surveillance apparatus constructed by the National Security Agency. He has also been an outspoken critic of the kind of journalism practiced at places like The New York Times, and an advocate of a more activist, more partisan kind of journalism. Earlier this month he announced he was joining a new journalistic venture, backed by eBay billionaire Pierre Omidyar, who has promised to invest $250 million and to “throw out all the old rules.” I invited Greenwald to join me in an online exchange about what, exactly, that means.

By BILL KELLER -NYT
Published: October 27, 2013

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Dear Glenn,

We come at journalism from different traditions. I’ve spent a life working at newspapers that put a premium on aggressive but impartial reporting, that expect reporters and editors to keep their opinions to themselves unless they relocate (as I have done) to the pages clearly identified as the home of opinion. You come from a more activist tradition — first as a lawyer, then as a blogger and columnist, and soon as part of a new, independent journalistic venture financed by the eBay founder Pierre Omidyar. Your writing proceeds from a clearly stated point of view.

In a post on Reuters this summer, media critic Jack Shafer celebrated the tradition of partisan journalism — “From Tom Paine to Glenn Greenwald” — and contrasted it with what he called “the corporatist ideal.” He didn’t explain the phrase, but I don’t think he meant it in a nice way. Henry Farrell, who blogs for The Washington Post, wrote more recently that publications like The New York Times and The Guardian “have political relationships with governments, which make them nervous about publishing (and hence validating) certain kinds of information,” and he suggested that your new project with Omidyar would represent a welcome escape from such relationships.

I find much to admire in America’s history of crusading journalists, from the pamphleteers to the muckrakers to the New Journalism of the ’60s to the best of today’s activist bloggers. At their best, their fortitude and passion have stimulated genuine reforms (often, as in the Progressive Era, thanks to the journalists’ “political relationships with governments”). I hope the coverage you led of the National Security Agency’s hyperactive surveillance will lead to some overdue accountability.

But the kind of journalism The Times and other mainstream news organizations practice — at their best — includes an awful lot to be proud of, too, revelations from Watergate to torture and secret prisons to the malfeasance of the financial industry, and including some pre-Snowden revelations about the N.S.A.’s abuse of its authority. Those are highlights that leap to mind, but you’ll find examples in just about every day’s report. Journalists in this tradition have plenty of opinions, but by setting them aside to follow the facts — as a judge in court is supposed to set aside prejudices to follow the law and the evidence — they can often produce results that are more substantial and more credible. The mainstream press has had its failures — episodes of credulousness, false equivalency, sensationalism and inattention — for which we have been deservedly flogged. I expect you’ll say, not flogged enough. So I pass you the lash.

Dear Bill...

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Much More: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/opinion/a-conversation-in-lieu-of-a-column.html?ref=opinion&_r=1&


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Let's hope not. madamesilverspurs Oct 2013 #1
I Hear Ya... Yet Here's The Problem... WillyT Oct 2013 #5
I know what you are saying but where can I get real news? You are concerned that GG will slant rhett o rick Oct 2013 #13
So true. If he is going to rely on donations for his 'journalism' Whisp Oct 2013 #41
LOL Egnever Oct 2013 #2
I predict there will be a lot of crow eating by certain critics. I wonder how many will own adirondacker Oct 2013 #3
Amy Goodman has about the most Cleita Oct 2013 #8
I hope they both become the new "mainstream". :) adirondacker Oct 2013 #10
Amy is really good LittleBlue Oct 2013 #45
I was encouraged to hear that Jeremy Scahill is in on this venture n/t deutsey Oct 2013 #50
um...My criticisms of Greenwald still stand Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #19
Very excited to see the new media venture funded by the ebay mega money dude quinnox Oct 2013 #4
It's a good exchange. I hope people take the time to read it Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #6
K&R for G.G.! MNBrewer Oct 2013 #7
... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #9
Can't be any worse than what we already have 1000words Oct 2013 #11
You'd be surprised at how much worse it could potentially get Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #17
K&R The new venture is EXCELLENT news for America. woo me with science Oct 2013 #12
A surprisingly good read... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #14
He advocates a more "activist, more partisan journalsim". I think that's the biggest okaawhatever Oct 2013 #15
Snowden went to Greenwald first with the story because he liked Greenwald's work muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #22
That is not the information I have. Gellman was working with Poitras very early on. She asked for okaawhatever Oct 2013 #27
Gellman was only involved around the beginning of May muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #32
He may not be the future of "news", bvar22 Oct 2013 #16
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #20
Exactly. It isn't ideal. But neither is fascism. BlueStreak Oct 2013 #55
the future of news? madrchsod Oct 2013 #21
Well... Locally... The Sacramento Bee Looks Like A Pamphlet These Days... WillyT Oct 2013 #24
It won't ever happen, but if you wanted ONE magic bullet Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #30
Definitely the line between news, opinion, and entertainment have blurred. goldent Oct 2013 #23
A most excellent exchange of letters expressing their points of view, having said that Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #25
Love Ya Uncle Joe !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #26
Likewise, WillyT. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #28
Hypothetically speaking, would you still agree with the position Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #33
Who do you believe damaged ACORN the worst, Brietbart or the "non-subjective" corporate media; Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38
nyt lied even after they knew okeefe was not dressed as a pimp questionseverything Oct 2013 #43
Good...So when or where did Greenwald ever "disclose" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #59
If you really wanted to know all it takes is Google and you could find it. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #61
Uncle Joe... I'd Just Like To Say... You're The Best !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #62
That is an excellent post. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #63
The future is unknown... Rex Oct 2013 #29
rock n roll is straight from hell! KG Oct 2013 #49
Ok, this is fully. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #34
If he is, we're fucked...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #35
Greenwald will destroy the world! Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #47
I don't think Bozo was one of the Four Horsemen...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #48
You always have so little to say Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #51
Two weeks in and you've got me all figured out... SidDithers Oct 2013 #54
Two weeks typing one-liners is way too much Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #58
repeat customer? vaht? dionysus Oct 2013 #60
from the article questionseverything Oct 2013 #36
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #37
No: DRUDGE covered that niche. n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #39
Hope not. randome Oct 2013 #40
Buried on page 6. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #42
good exchange RainDog Oct 2013 #44
No. Chan790 Oct 2013 #46
The future of RW Libertarian "news", at best. tridim Oct 2013 #52
They need a solid gate-keeper Hutzpa Oct 2013 #53
I certainly hope not. MineralMan Oct 2013 #56
$200 million seems like a lot lordsummerisle Oct 2013 #57
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