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CreekDog

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58. yes, that's why i've supported single payer systems

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 08:28 PM

Oct 2013

and other universal systems, which cover all, more affordably, or completely affordably.

this doesn't.

but given the current system, these reforms, that you are willing to give up, are needed.

you'd put us right back to the old system which can cherrypick what it will cover and not cover so that one isn't picking health insurance, but playing a roulette.

should i put some chips on black hoping i don't need coverage for red? and maybe we'll just call maternity care the double-zero 00, optional really, you want it covered, pay more.

the harder you think about it, the worse ideas you come up with.

i think the reason is that you start out from an inherently unfair position which justifies differential treatment of women to save money. once you're willing to go down that road, it's no wonder that you follow with ideas that are just as bad.

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Young Men, are you upset that you'll no longer be able to get health insurance cheaper than women? [View all] CreekDog Oct 2013 OP

my boys will not even know they are being deprived. they will think it is a norm. and they will be seabeyond Oct 2013 #1

I think it's inherently unfair to charge more based on gender CreekDog Oct 2013 #2

you and i see eye to eye. yes we do. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #3

Yeah but now it's pushed more unequal in another way davidn3600 Oct 2013 #16

ya. i am sure the men are being picked on and they will not get their cancer screenings and will seabeyond Oct 2013 #23

so you're saying that the number of times a word appears indicates whether it's fair or not? CreekDog Oct 2013 #27

That's because women made a stink about it. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #53

Men won't get cancer and STD screenings. Uh...sure.... Squinch Oct 2013 #86

my male friend, who is now in his mid-30's, noiretextatique Oct 2013 #4

No. Rex Oct 2013 #5

Irrelevant for me LittleBlue Oct 2013 #6

K/R Just one more similarity between ACA and a full blown single payer plan. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #7

I have to say that if I were 20, making 1.5 times the poverty level, and lived in a state that dsc Oct 2013 #8

yeah but having that choice means they can exclude cancer, heart disease or HIV from other policies CreekDog Oct 2013 #9

I don't think it should be expanded beyond that group dsc Oct 2013 #12

No they won't. I had insurance like that. It didn't do anything for me. CreekDog Oct 2013 #15

If you can come up with anything else that costs as much dsc Oct 2013 #18

I ALREADY asked you that. I asked you about excluding cancer, heart disease, HIV, etc. CreekDog Oct 2013 #20

They don't cost anything remotely as much dsc Oct 2013 #25

i'm not calling you names. I'm stating facts. CreekDog Oct 2013 #31

no you aren't calling names not at all dsc Oct 2013 #35

Apparently, not only can't you read your own posts, you can't read mine. What did I say about age? CreekDog Oct 2013 #37

you would prefer dsc Oct 2013 #44

so, now that you're conceding the sexism, you decide i'm ageist. CreekDog Oct 2013 #48

or maybe they die in their 50's due to not being able to afford the increased rates dsc Oct 2013 #51

yes, that's why i've supported single payer systems CreekDog Oct 2013 #58

I support single payer too dsc Oct 2013 #66

"Male centric"? Do you even read what you yourself post? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #72

i had two babies and paid cash the first and paid more cash insured the second. that is it. seabeyond Oct 2013 #103

Men get breast cancer too nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #111

Another Anti Choicer on DU? pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #59

Why is it that if someone is against equal rights for gay people, they are automatically PPRed Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #70

Because women are women, not people. pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #85

two things dsc Oct 2013 #109

You're actually anti-abortion? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #112

I believe after a certain set amount of time dsc Oct 2013 #120

And pray tell what exactly is wrong with getting an abortion after 12 weeks? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #121

frankly I think by then it is much closer to killing a child dsc Oct 2013 #122

Good, then I'll have the last word. Post 12 week abortions do not kill a child... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #125

No problem pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #136

can i exclude viagra? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #13

It would save you like 5 cents dsc Oct 2013 #14

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #17

what part of dsc Oct 2013 #19

I'm quoting you, that's where your position came from. CreekDog Oct 2013 #22

I meant that group of people dsc Oct 2013 #26

because of what you said at the beginning of the argument in this very thread CreekDog Oct 2013 #33

actually it would also protect infertile women dsc Oct 2013 #39

so you want brownie points for protecting the health of infertile women CreekDog Oct 2013 #42

glad you find infertility funny dsc Oct 2013 #45

No, I find your attempt to get credit for including the care of infertile women as morally superior CreekDog Oct 2013 #62

Oh, yes, it's so clear how concerned you are TDale313 Oct 2013 #63

hey... so. prostate cancer? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #21

He only wants to exclude maternity care because people die of other things CreekDog Oct 2013 #24

oh... fuck. that. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #28

no dsc Oct 2013 #29

Well then that would be a bad idea too CreekDog Oct 2013 #52

Last I heard, women don't get pregnant without men. hunter Oct 2013 #32

he just has no idea what he's talking about CreekDog Oct 2013 #34

wow glad I am not infertile dsc Oct 2013 #40

Oh, yeah, you're Mr. Sensitivity yourself Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #78

gee glad you didn't say something nasty to me dsc Oct 2013 #79

That wasn't nasty. Believe me, I could say much, much worse. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #88

actually smokers already pay more dsc Oct 2013 #92

I wrote it for your mother. hunter Oct 2013 #93

If I were in the same boat, I'd be fighting like hell to get rid of my Republican governor. SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #38

that is great advice for 2014 or for NC 2016 dsc Oct 2013 #41

Nevermind, got my posts mixed up SolutionisSolidarity Oct 2013 #54

in fairness they have been released from the mandate dsc Oct 2013 #56

because no one ever has an unplanned pregnancy, right? (nt) Nine Oct 2013 #46

well say they do get pregnant dsc Oct 2013 #47

Women die due to pregnancy and birth gollygee Oct 2013 #61

if it is at home no amount of insurance will save them dsc Oct 2013 #64

Are you just messing with us? (nt) Nine Oct 2013 #83

I am not advocating a wide spread exemption to gender neutral ratings dsc Oct 2013 #91

Young women are vastly more likely to experience pregnancy than cancer. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #101

which is why I don't think this should be widespread dsc Oct 2013 #107

Why just pregnancy? LeftyMom Oct 2013 #110

at age 20, I bet you would save pretty much 0 dsc Oct 2013 #114

You know what else isn't likely at 20? Cancer. You know what is? Pregnancy. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #118

because it is a huge part of the cost of the policy dsc Oct 2013 #119

You're arguing that women shouldn't get the care they actually need because it's too expensive. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #123

again in over half the states all of them dsc Oct 2013 #126

Why do you want to require women to buy health care insurance that doesn't cover their health care? LeftyMom Oct 2013 #127

If they want a policy that include maternity coverage then they should get one dsc Oct 2013 #128

What care for men do you want to exclude to keep costs down? LeftyMom Oct 2013 #131

If you were 20 and female, pregnancy would be far your most likely significant medical expense. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #96

for the people in that income class dsc Oct 2013 #97

Are you aware of the disparity in quality of care women and children on Medicaid receive? LeftyMom Oct 2013 #98

then we shouldn't be saying dsc Oct 2013 #99

You don't know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. LeftyMom Oct 2013 #105

we are covering those people through Medicaid dsc Oct 2013 #108

Nobody was arguing for "Medicaid for all" as in your post, the slogan was "Medicare for all" LeftyMom Oct 2013 #113

Medicare for all would be worse dsc Oct 2013 #117

Let me make this simple for you. Nine Oct 2013 #132

I said, Young Men! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #10

Is it fun to stay at the YMCA? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #49

It's fun to sign up for NuclearDem Oct 2013 #73

* Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #129

I'm still pissed at paying more for car insurance 1000words Oct 2013 #11

I was going to say this as well. Travis_0004 Oct 2013 #36

Guys, woolldog Oct 2013 #57

I will second that ChazII Oct 2013 #77

Except asians Travis_0004 Oct 2013 #115

A sense of humor??? ChazII Oct 2013 #134

Right? hello double standard RedCappedBandit Oct 2013 #135

Maybe a more appropriate question is Turbineguy Oct 2013 #30

Just wanted to say Control-Z Oct 2013 #95

Yeah, I'm simply foaming and frothing with outrage about ... um ... uh ... about ... struggle4progress Oct 2013 #43

No. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #50

The only problem i have with the ACA is that they demand all plans to have maternity care darkangel218 Oct 2013 #55

Indeed. It's a peeve of mine, and a logstanding gripe about the maternity coverage thing. Xithras Oct 2013 #65

The right thing to say would be.. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #67

I don't really take that approach to the issue. Xithras Oct 2013 #84

because we all have a vested interest in healthy babies? Skittles Oct 2013 #68

Pregnency is ( still, thank god) a choice. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #71

? Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #80

No. if you chose to smoke, you should have a different premium. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #90

and if you drink to excess? bettyellen Oct 2013 #106

WTF Skittles Oct 2013 #130

It's intriguing that it's okay to be against compulsory insurance that you don't plan on using. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #69

I agree. Im appalled that regular prostate screenings aren't covered by ACA. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #75

+100 ChazII Oct 2013 #81

Most guys with prostate cancer don't die of it. hunter Oct 2013 #116

Maternity care is medical care. Lars39 Oct 2013 #74

Needing meternity care is a CHOICE. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #76

Everyone pays for everyone's whatever so that society as a whole is healthier Lars39 Oct 2013 #82

Prwgnency is not a disease. its achived and carried to term by choice. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #87

Broken limbs aren't either, but they get medical care. Lars39 Oct 2013 #89

It is a worthwhile tradeoff. It's hard to reconcile being for single-payer and against this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #60

not necessarily dsc Oct 2013 #124

I'm only upset that Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #94

A few states, Minnesota being one of them, did away with different male/female pricing years ago dflprincess Oct 2013 #100

I hope that everyone who considers maternity to be "extra" is ponying up Starry Messenger Oct 2013 #102

Why are different rates by sex even allowed? n/t devils chaplain Oct 2013 #104

I'm upset that I have to pay more for car insurance because I'm a man n/t taught_me_patience Oct 2013 #133

How much of a hike are we talking about? 5%? 10%? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #137

it seems from the article they skewed this by including the uninsured? bettyellen Oct 2013 #138