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Uncle Joe

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38. Who do you believe damaged ACORN the worst, Brietbart or the "non-subjective" corporate media;
Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:01 PM
Oct 2013

which was all but silent with their "non-subjectivity" allowing Brietbart's propaganda to have the room to itself?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_brietbart

He owned the news aggregation site, Breitbart.com, and five other websites: Breitbart.tv, Big Hollywood, Big Government, Big Journalism, and Big Peace. He played key roles in the Anthony Weiner sexting scandal, the resignation of Shirley Sherrod, and the ACORN 2009 undercover videos controversy.



The pretense of journalistic non-subjectivity is a deceit against the reader, whether I agree with that journalist's opinion or not.

Knowledge is power and knowing from what ideological spectrum that journalist is coming from because he/she is upfront and honest about it awakens the reader to the material's authenticity.

The key points as Greenwald lists in one of his letters and restates in later letters as being



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/28/opinion/a-conversation-in-lieu-of-a-column.html?ref=opinion&_r=2&

Worst of all, this model rests on a false conceit. Human beings are not objectivity-driven machines. We all intrinsically perceive and process the world through subjective prisms. What is the value in pretending otherwise?

The relevant distinction is not between journalists who have opinions and those who do not, because the latter category is mythical. The relevant distinction is between journalists who honestly disclose their subjective assumptions and political values and those who dishonestly pretend they have none or conceal them from their readers.

Moreover, all journalism is a form of activism. Every journalistic choice necessarily embraces highly subjective assumptions — cultural, political or nationalistic — and serves the interests of one faction or another. Former Bush D.O.J. lawyer Jack Goldsmith in 2011 praised what he called “the patriotism of the American press,” meaning their allegiance to protecting the interests and policies of the U.S. government. That may (or may not) be a noble thing to do, but it most definitely is not objective: it is quite subjective and classically “activist.”

But ultimately, the only real metric of journalism that should matter is accuracy and reliability. I personally think honestly disclosing rather than hiding one’s subjective values makes for more honest and trustworthy journalism. But no journalism — from the most stylistically “objective” to the most brazenly opinionated — has any real value unless it is grounded in facts, evidence, and verifiable data. The claim that overtly opinionated journalists cannot produce good journalism is every bit as invalid as the claim that the contrived form of perspective-free journalism cannot.








Let's hope not. madamesilverspurs Oct 2013 #1
I Hear Ya... Yet Here's The Problem... WillyT Oct 2013 #5
I know what you are saying but where can I get real news? You are concerned that GG will slant rhett o rick Oct 2013 #13
So true. If he is going to rely on donations for his 'journalism' Whisp Oct 2013 #41
LOL Egnever Oct 2013 #2
I predict there will be a lot of crow eating by certain critics. I wonder how many will own adirondacker Oct 2013 #3
Amy Goodman has about the most Cleita Oct 2013 #8
I hope they both become the new "mainstream". :) adirondacker Oct 2013 #10
Amy is really good LittleBlue Oct 2013 #45
I was encouraged to hear that Jeremy Scahill is in on this venture n/t deutsey Oct 2013 #50
um...My criticisms of Greenwald still stand Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #19
Very excited to see the new media venture funded by the ebay mega money dude quinnox Oct 2013 #4
It's a good exchange. I hope people take the time to read it Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #6
K&R for G.G.! MNBrewer Oct 2013 #7
... BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #9
Can't be any worse than what we already have 1000words Oct 2013 #11
You'd be surprised at how much worse it could potentially get Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #17
K&R The new venture is EXCELLENT news for America. woo me with science Oct 2013 #12
A surprisingly good read... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #14
He advocates a more "activist, more partisan journalsim". I think that's the biggest okaawhatever Oct 2013 #15
Snowden went to Greenwald first with the story because he liked Greenwald's work muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #22
That is not the information I have. Gellman was working with Poitras very early on. She asked for okaawhatever Oct 2013 #27
Gellman was only involved around the beginning of May muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #32
He may not be the future of "news", bvar22 Oct 2013 #16
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #20
Exactly. It isn't ideal. But neither is fascism. BlueStreak Oct 2013 #55
the future of news? madrchsod Oct 2013 #21
Well... Locally... The Sacramento Bee Looks Like A Pamphlet These Days... WillyT Oct 2013 #24
It won't ever happen, but if you wanted ONE magic bullet Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #30
Definitely the line between news, opinion, and entertainment have blurred. goldent Oct 2013 #23
A most excellent exchange of letters expressing their points of view, having said that Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #25
Love Ya Uncle Joe !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #26
Likewise, WillyT. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #28
Hypothetically speaking, would you still agree with the position Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Oct 2013 #33
Who do you believe damaged ACORN the worst, Brietbart or the "non-subjective" corporate media; Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38
nyt lied even after they knew okeefe was not dressed as a pimp questionseverything Oct 2013 #43
Good...So when or where did Greenwald ever "disclose" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #59
If you really wanted to know all it takes is Google and you could find it. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #61
Uncle Joe... I'd Just Like To Say... You're The Best !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #62
That is an excellent post. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #63
The future is unknown... Rex Oct 2013 #29
rock n roll is straight from hell! KG Oct 2013 #49
Ok, this is fully. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #34
If he is, we're fucked...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #35
Greenwald will destroy the world! Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #47
I don't think Bozo was one of the Four Horsemen...nt SidDithers Oct 2013 #48
You always have so little to say Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #51
Two weeks in and you've got me all figured out... SidDithers Oct 2013 #54
Two weeks typing one-liners is way too much Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #58
repeat customer? vaht? dionysus Oct 2013 #60
from the article questionseverything Oct 2013 #36
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #37
No: DRUDGE covered that niche. n/t UTUSN Oct 2013 #39
Hope not. randome Oct 2013 #40
Buried on page 6. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #42
good exchange RainDog Oct 2013 #44
No. Chan790 Oct 2013 #46
The future of RW Libertarian "news", at best. tridim Oct 2013 #52
They need a solid gate-keeper Hutzpa Oct 2013 #53
I certainly hope not. MineralMan Oct 2013 #56
$200 million seems like a lot lordsummerisle Oct 2013 #57
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