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44. Identifying what is not fair should not be the same as endorsing what is not fair.

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:00 PM

Oct 2013

And I, regrettably, must point out to you that you seem to be doing the latter in this case.

The right to have an abortion is the right to make pragmatic choices about your life. To decide that you don't want to have a baby for whatever reason. The reason is irrelevant to the legality but not to the general practice. Many woman have an abortion because they do not desire to have the financial or ethical responsibility to a child. And that's absolutely alright.

But what about the man who also doesn't want the financial or ethical responsibility? He should never have the power to control a woman's body and that means he should never had the power to prevent or force an abortion. But his wants and needs are of similar consequence as the woman's.

And I can't help but consider his concerns legitimate, regardless of how life actually favors men ALL the time.

Sometimes theory and practice quarrel and it's up to intelligent, well reasoned people to figure out how to resolve the disparity. I don't feel as though you're making well reasoned statements right now. And you know I am not just another MR troll.

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once again, we have the damn mentality that the man is all that and fuck the woman. wtf is this. [View all] seabeyond Oct 2013 OP

And it's a woman arguing that point to boot! Kaleva Oct 2013 #1

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." Cerridwen Oct 2013 #11

I think of that little gem often here Hekate Oct 2013 #86

Or claims to be. But some of the posts made me wonder. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #106

or representing themselves as a woman CreekDog Oct 2013 #108

I haven't read enough of what that person posts... Kaleva Oct 2013 #110

That's it. Everybody needs to know. Dash87 Oct 2013 #118

Does the ACA cover prostate exams? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #2

does it cover breast exams? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #3

I don't actually know. That's why I'm asking. Does the ACA cover either? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #4

that is what everyone seems to be up in arms with. seems like this is the angle to use, to suggest seabeyond Oct 2013 #7

I understand what you're saying. I also know who it is that's trolling GD... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #15

that is fine. address the very serious problem. that has nothing to do with maternity seabeyond Oct 2013 #19

Yeah, I don't think it's men being picked on. Every aspect of life is designed to benefit men... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #22

Yeah, that's the idea that riles me -- men are picked on = women did it. Now, Nay Oct 2013 #101

Under ACA preventive care is free and medical care is covered. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #51

Yes, and it need not be part of a regular physical. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #53

prostate is covered also, in yearlies. so whoever brought up the bogus bullshit to whine misandry seabeyond Oct 2013 #54

not really. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #55

how effective is the psa, and is it harmful. what is the issue with it lumberjack? seabeyond Oct 2013 #57

I dunno. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #61

Actually, I just read such a story about mammograms not too long ago... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #62

Are you now saying that mammograms shouldn't be free? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #64

What I'm saying is a discussion exists where you don't seem to see one. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #66

The nature of the cost/benefit discussion is moot. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #68

Yes, but are excessive mammograms considered harmful to women's health? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #71

if you do not know what the issue is, maybe you should educate yourself. seabeyond Oct 2013 #65

health care isn't a snack bar. how clueless. WHY is breast cancer screening covered? CreekDog Oct 2013 #112

Doctors have an ethical and legal responsibility to refuse care that does more harm than good. antigone382 Oct 2013 #122

A PSA mercuryblues Oct 2013 #89

thanks for the info mercury. 75% is pretty high. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #98

It appears the screening of PSA is quite literally not recommended by medical bodies. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #59

The same debate is offered about mammograms and breast cancer genetic screening. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #63

it's never been up to me, it's up to the recommendation of my doc, who follows bettyellen Oct 2013 #102

No, the same debate is not offered about mammograms and breast cancer genetic screening CreekDog Oct 2013 #125

My husband's PSA testing literally saved his life. phylny Oct 2013 #92

I guess in your scenario it must have been at least a year or two since her last mammogram whopis01 Oct 2013 #104

You do realize they are only going to allow one mammogram a year right? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #127

No, it's not equivalent. hunter Oct 2013 #82

Me too Enthusiast Oct 2013 #88

You did know that the ACA was passed two full years before the recommendation? Right? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #103

You don't know the law you are pretending to quote CreekDog Oct 2013 #114

Let me explain this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #115

As part of a yearly physical, yes. Lars39 Oct 2013 #5

Does the ACA cover prostate exams that are requested by a doctor for a specific purpose? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #8

That I don't know, but I would think that it would be covered by insurance like Lars39 Oct 2013 #16

Okay, so it's pretty likely that the ACA covers all sorts of prostate exams. And that deflates... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #18

but if breast cancer screening is included in this it ALREADY deflates the bullshit mens right seabeyond Oct 2013 #21

"covers" <> "free" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #67

It would seem that the intent is to minimize possible harm from prostate exam overscreening. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #69

His body, his choice. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #70

You don't seem to understand the difference here so I'll try again. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #73

Point 1: there are many medical procedures that no ethical doctor will carry out electively. antigone382 Oct 2013 #113

you're saying a congress, the Senate and the president discriminated against men CreekDog Oct 2013 #126

It would be the same if a woman's doctor requested a mammogram outside the norm tammywammy Oct 2013 #23

then wtf is everyone going on about. geeez. thank you for the info. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #9

btu that really is NOT what my post is about. we give ALL the preg to the woman. it is ALL about seabeyond Oct 2013 #14

Because women have demanded, fought for and received sole sovereignty of their wombs.. SQUEE Oct 2013 #119

You do know that's part of your annual physical, don't you? So yes, it's covered. Hekate Oct 2013 #85

Of course it does! That's a normal part of a man's physical. pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

yes, if they are medically necessary CreekDog Oct 2013 #109

No, you're not wrong. TDale313 Oct 2013 #6

The entire paradigm in which Americans view health insurance is one single RW talking point NoOneMan Oct 2013 #10

Translation Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #12

it is HIS damn seed in the woman that is causing all the issue. so ya, in YOUR book a man fucks and seabeyond Oct 2013 #17

Did I say he should walk? Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #20

no, it was the man bad bullshit and the first sentence. seabeyond Oct 2013 #34

Agreed! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #29

What's with the extremely misogynist flamebaiting here? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #58

Habit. n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #60

It's not misogyny. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #84

what is the problem? that is how it is being presented. where am i not factually correct? seabeyond Oct 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author moriah Oct 2013 #128

No idea what this is about quinnox Oct 2013 #13

Yeah... whttevrr Oct 2013 #27

Men rule, women drool Renew Deal Oct 2013 #28

May I offer up some clues? SMC22307 Oct 2013 #36

If health care is a public good, the public will debate each service; who gets what, when, how much FarCenter Oct 2013 #24

That is already happening. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #33

Why don't they do that with Medicare? leftstreet Oct 2013 #83

There is considerable debate; for example, should men over 70 get PSA tests FarCenter Oct 2013 #94

Should men have a say when a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy? Renew Deal Oct 2013 #25

ya. not into choice huh? ergo, since men cant dictate a preg or lack of, they do not have to take seabeyond Oct 2013 #30

I won't lie to you, the matter of responsibility is a somewhat complicated subject. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #38

wrong. that is one of the oh so not fair moments in a mans life. no. it is not tough. not fair seabeyond Oct 2013 #42

Identifying what is not fair should not be the same as endorsing what is not fair. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #44

while they fetus is in the womans body, it is ALL about the woman. and that still does not exclude seabeyond Oct 2013 #46

Yeah but you and I both know very few things in life are simple... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #49

Thank Skinner for Ignore. I missed the Misogyny Show on DU today. I know you can't post it in GD. freshwest Oct 2013 #26

Someone began a reply to me on here the other day: "If women want equal rights" BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #31

wow,. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #35

FFS, consider the source of that thread. SMC22307 Oct 2013 #32

started with cd thread and dsc subthread to walk into the other. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #37

We've already seen the high profile exit of someone using right wing talking points to attack the stevenleser Oct 2013 #39

+++1000 n/t cynatnite Oct 2013 #40

Take the author of the thread into consideration. tammywammy Oct 2013 #41

ya. but really it started on creekdogs thread. though that person professes women not allowed choice seabeyond Oct 2013 #43

Sad comment. peace13 Oct 2013 #75

not really. the poster regularly starts OPs seabeyond Oct 2013 #77

There are times UtahLib Oct 2013 #45

I call misandry on this! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #47

just for you. cause it looks so good in the other thread, we need it here. seabeyond Oct 2013 #48

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #50

I thought it was about having to pay for coverage Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #52

thanks for the laugh lol nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #91

Here, I speak seabeyond. Dr. Strange Oct 2013 #111

Barbara? Is that you? sl8 Oct 2013 #116

lmFao... that was fun. lol. only one little misinterpretation but close enough seabeyond Oct 2013 #117

Crap. Dr. Strange Oct 2013 #121

it was only a partial and in re reading, i can see how you were accurate in your even handedness. seabeyond Oct 2013 #132

Now, can you do that to all of her posts? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #120

Wow, you're good. NealK Oct 2013 #133

ya, and then there are always the assholes. kinda like what dr responded too. too many perfectly seabeyond Oct 2013 #135

"need dr to transfer that for you?" NealK Oct 2013 #138

see, as i say, an ass. transcribed. seabeyond Oct 2013 #140

Hum. NealK Oct 2013 #144

i was angry, disgusted last night. i read thru a thread with men stating how unfair maternity was. seabeyond Oct 2013 #145

Hahahaha... redqueen Oct 2013 #137

Funny, I had NO problem understanding. I do recognize being purposely obtuse is retread Oct 2013 #146

But.. But... Why would anyone seek to cause division and strife on a topic like the ACA? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #56

Was the totally out of left field attack on Texas really necessary? Llewlladdwr Oct 2013 #72

She lives in Amarillo, Texas or somewhere in the panhandle. n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #74

well, good point, but seeing how i am sittin in amarillo texas, and this reminded me just like the seabeyond Oct 2013 #76

Interesting way to word things The Straight Story Oct 2013 #78

you are anti choice, right? am i remembering correctly? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #79

He's very much pro-choice and says so in his post tammywammy Oct 2013 #80

obviously i did not read it. i thought i remembered him being anti choice. i do not even bother seabeyond Oct 2013 #81

be careful when an MRA claims to be pro-choice CreekDog Oct 2013 #123

I know several men who are very against abortion for that reason. moriah Oct 2013 #131

The best advice is for men to be careful where they deposit their seed. moriah Oct 2013 #129

Please provide a link to the original thread. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #87

this one I think: steve2470 Oct 2013 #93

Ah, ok. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #95

you're very welcome ! :) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #96

Breathe deep... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #90

faint? really??..... seabeyond Oct 2013 #100

Who is "we?" 99Forever Oct 2013 #97

Yep. There are some misogynistic assholes posting this crap on DU. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #105

Many progressives are actually people who wish they were. dogknob Oct 2013 #124

how does picking what coverage an individual wants Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #130

no. it is not a valid point. and that is the issue. that simple. not a valid point. it takes a seabeyond Oct 2013 #134

before on the individual Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #136

because all women absorbed the cost that caused us to pay a higher cost, simply for being a woman. seabeyond Oct 2013 #139

so it is all about the subsidy. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #141

Society as a whole benefits when women have children. If they didn't, duffyduff Oct 2013 #142

i think. i did not even know this was an issue until hearing thread after thread talking the seabeyond Oct 2013 #143

Yeah, but maybe coyotespaw Oct 2013 #147

i like your post. it is fun. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #148