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Deep13

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72. huh? most of them were assigned names when they were born.

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 12:52 AM

Oct 2013

Not really my job to pick names for them.

Most of them are social conservatives and "neo-liberal" economically. Their goal is capitalism free from regulation of any kind. They consider basic human compassion to be a weakness.

The most unabashed Randians are Ron Paul, Rand Paul, and Paul Ryan. Others are among the most problematic state governors: Kasick, Walker, LaPage, Christie, that guy in FL.

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Why are ya'll so afraid of libertarians. They get like 3% of the vote. [View all] Luminous Animal Oct 2013 OP

most libertarians vote for Republicans JI7 Oct 2013 #1

So? Most socialists vote for Democrats. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #5

This is a web site for those who will vote for Democrats. HERVEPA Oct 2013 #103

does this website say its for those who "will" vote for Democrats? Jamiletto Oct 2013 #136

Look down to the bottom of this page, for the link labeled "Terms of Service". winter is coming Oct 2013 #138

No, they don't. Deep13 Oct 2013 #2

You are confusing teabaggers with libertarians. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #3

No, I'm not. Deep13 Oct 2013 #13

Name these libertarians who have won office. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #16

they run as republicans like Rand PAul JI7 Oct 2013 #19

And what Libertarian ideology are they promoting? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #25

That's kinda easy everything from section 2, haha. oh08dem Oct 2013 #32

So, if nothing progressive comes from them, why are Democrats so afraid? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #41

So you're implying that they do in fact espouse progressive ideas, and the democrats should be oh08dem Oct 2013 #56

but he would allow private companies to drug test for jobs and discrminate based on race JI7 Oct 2013 #34

Rand Paul favors pot decriminalization, because it will help the GOP. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #37

Paul didn't say Libertarians, he said Republicans. And millions of rank and file Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #42

Paul holds himself out as a Libertarian to get votes for the GOP. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #44

Why doesn't the Democratic leadership advocate for legalized pot? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #48

so call on the dems to support it but why do you have a problem calling out libertarians JI7 Oct 2013 #50

I think it eventually will, now that a majority favors it. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #54

"Hence their Libertarian dog and pony show to strip away Dem pot voters." Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #58

and that's why we are going after the libertarians and exposing them for what they stand for JI7 Oct 2013 #60

Rather than standing for the issues Democrats should stand for. nt woo me with science Oct 2013 #65

Funny that whenever liberals "defend" libertarians, that's the only two positions they cite Scootaloo Oct 2013 #51

I've never met a liberal who "defends" libertarianism. They may acknowledge their Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #57

Thing is, you can't compartmentalize like that Scootaloo Oct 2013 #61

huh? most of them were assigned names when they were born. Deep13 Oct 2013 #72

I cover local elections nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #80

No true Scotsman. n/t Orsino Oct 2013 #87

Explain. n/t Deep13 Oct 2013 #137

Because Rand Paul is trying to lure a % applegrove Oct 2013 #4

His lair, eh? So the libertarian party is Pinky and the Brain, eh? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #6

Found: Libertarians' "Lying To Liberals" Guide Book (I posted this earlier today) applegrove Oct 2013 #14

That is hilarious. Reefer Madness hilarious. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #20

The article was hilarious AND spot on, unlike Reefer Madness. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #29

Because it does not once address constinutional rights. it's 100% fear tactics Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #46

Bullshit on that quote you made up. The article does address the issue. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #62

Except that marijuana reform has been championed by and achieved by Democrats Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #92

How is the article out of date and insipid? nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #94

Because marijuana reform is a mainstream issue in the Democratic Party and 56% Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #98

"It just is"? That is not an answer, and is not correct. Libertarians are using the issue NOW. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #105

Look, maybe in your State you have grown a Democratic Party that leaves such doors Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #115

No evidence that working people vote against their interest? Really? SunSeeker Oct 2013 #119

it wont work among minorites since he thinks it's ok to discriminate based on race JI7 Oct 2013 #10

It may work on low information voters of any race. People who just applegrove Oct 2013 #15

You are exactly right. And of course the OP ignores that point. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #28

Yup. It is obvious. Don't know OP can't applegrove Oct 2013 #30

It appears the OP has an agenda. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #43

No. I find it ludicrous that DUers have created a boogy man when Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #52

I see the forest just fine, thank you. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #55

Damn, I did not know Ron Wyden was a Republican nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #82

OFFS, believing in civil liberties does not make you a Libertarian. Wyden is a Dem. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #83

Actually, yes, yes it does nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #86

Libertarianism does not mean liberty; it means ceding our country to the rich. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #90

I see you are a lost cause. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #91

Yes, I don't suffer bullshit. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #93

Nah you did not nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #96

Please explain how leaving it to the poor to sue redistributes wealth in your Libertarian utopia. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #99

First there is a critique to libertarian thought nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #106

I see you have no explanation for that ridiculous Libertarian redistribution argument. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #109

SOP for this member maddezmom Oct 2013 #112

I fear no man. My iggy list is empty. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #114

LOL nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #116

Well at least we agree on that. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #118

If Left Wing Libertarians are just people who believe in personal freedom... Walk away Oct 2013 #131

You are missing the meaning and ascribing to them the believes or Randians. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #135

Okay. So how are the libertarians drawing minorities, youth and pot smokers into the lair... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #47

They say pot should be decriminalized. SunSeeker Oct 2013 #49

Okay. You've addressed the pot smokers. How about the youth and minorities? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #59

That argument is not going to work in all of the States that have decriminalized already Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #95

Because people are worried about losing the civil libertarian element of the Democratic party Recursion Oct 2013 #7

Then the Democratic Party should step up their game re civil liberties. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #9

Yep Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #11

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #125

So we shouldn't be afraid of libertarians.... Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #8

I think it is ludicrous to focus on a extremely small segment of the political Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #12

libertarians are part of the republican party JI7 Oct 2013 #17

The pot smoking part of the Republican Party? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #22

the end public education, end civil rights act, end food stamps part of the GOP JI7 Oct 2013 #35

So, the Republican Party. Why not name the actual menace than the insignificant one? Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #36

they are both named and libertarianism is a large part of the republican party JI7 Oct 2013 #38

No they are not. Libertarianism is NOT a large party of the Republican Party... Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #39

there are differences in degrees within the party and the libertarian ideology JI7 Oct 2013 #45

The libertarian wing of the Republican party is ascending while the Neo-Con wing is descending oh08dem Oct 2013 #63

They do have influence in Washington (CATO Institute). n/t. oh08dem Oct 2013 #18

I focus on attacking the following: Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #21

Really. What do Paulites do, specifically, to pretend they are from the left. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #23

Try to normalize libertarianism by trumpeting the (few) areas LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #74

They seem very open to me about where they diverge from liberal ideology. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #75

Yes. Yes indeed they are. All over DU, even. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #76

The Koch brothers own the GOP and they're libertarians. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #24

Um, no. They are fascists. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #26

They are not mutually exclusive. nt SunSeeker Oct 2013 #27

^^^This^^^ Walk away Oct 2013 #142

I'm more concerned about Third Way Democrats who want to do that n/t Oilwellian Oct 2013 #71

And they can do so precisely because of the toxic influence of right-libertarianism in society. LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #122

Look at Ron Paul's views of Social Security, etc....scary stuff. Voted no on aid to Katrina victims. madfloridian Oct 2013 #31

Remember Florida in 2000? What percent of the vote matters in a swing state? pnwmom Oct 2013 #33

They're just Republicans. They say one or two things we agree with, but they are not Liberals. Hekate Oct 2013 #40

No one is. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #53

Because they inconveniently remind the country that corporate Democrats have abandoned Americans woo me with science Oct 2013 #64

Sabrina1 has the correct answer. woo me with science Oct 2013 #66

Yes. That was a very good answer Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #133

Their ideas have huge influence in Washington.. sendero Oct 2013 #67

I've never met a real one. Atman Oct 2013 #68

I've maybe met two genuine libertarians in my life Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #123

It's about marketing. Nine Oct 2013 #69

because they're the only "permitted alternative," giving us THREE Thatcherite options MisterP Oct 2013 #70

Who is afraid of Libertarians? joshcryer Oct 2013 #73

Libertarians try to tiptoe thru Ayn Rand then MindMover Oct 2013 #77

A strawman .... Trajan Oct 2013 #78

Because they're like a cancer . bravenak Oct 2013 #79

Because of the 51/49 races. mahina Oct 2013 #81

The fact that you have to ask jazzimov Oct 2013 #84

I find the fear of libertarians on DU far exceeds any kind of influence Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #85

Tell me, where do you see "fear?" Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #120

The consistent admonitions not to associate with "them". The incaccurate use of the word Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #126

I'd want nothing to do with the libertarians I've known locally Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #128

Skeered? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #88

Maybe they just don't have enough "nuance"? hughee99 Oct 2013 #89

Members of the Libertarian Party are not a problem gollygee Oct 2013 #97

Now this I agree with. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #117

Paul Warns of Logan's Run Type Future in VA ProSense Oct 2013 #100

To a strong extent, the word "libertarian" is now synonymous with "tea party" SamYeager Oct 2013 #101

Because they're always trying to hush you. nt Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2013 #102

Much like Christian fundamentalists are but a small percentage of Christians... LanternWaste Oct 2013 #104

Who are you? Their internet field researcher? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #107

Because those that know the least, generally know it the loudest? Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #108

There are some groups you should avoid on principle. white_wolf Oct 2013 #110

Because they are basically Republicans. Why are you enamored by them? maddezmom Oct 2013 #111

Oooh. One OP now equals enamored. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #127

Well yeah, you seem to be pushing Libertarians as a party we should work with.... maddezmom Oct 2013 #129

No I am not. I have been clear on my position which is issue oriented not party oriented. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #130

I dont know if there is a true libertarian out there Bradical79 Oct 2013 #113

It's not the Libertarian party that's the big problem... LeftishBrit Oct 2013 #121

A tiny group knows they can disrupt on DU over and over again Rex Oct 2013 #124

Just tryin to save our democracy from crackpots who serve the GOP agenda of mind-fuggin struggle4progress Oct 2013 #132

Because we Dems need "Teh Evil" to keep us Energized! KoKo Oct 2013 #134

For the same reason we get worked up about tea-party people. pnwmom Oct 2013 #139

For example: ProSense Oct 2013 #140

THE ULTIMATE EVIL! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #141