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RainDog

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56. well, the U.S. is the only western democracy

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 06:44 AM

Oct 2013

that doesn't have universal health care, a comprehensive social safety net, and performs lower on educational testing standards.

...and the U.S. is the only western democracy that has a religious right that exerts much influence over government.

so there's a definite relationship between our backward social policy and right wing xtianity in the U.S. and it seems to be causal, because the "godless commie" and "ermergerd obama socialist" are the realms of thought from the religious extremists here too.

...as they were when Kennedy was president and it was "catholic commie" and "ermergerd Kennedy is a socialist."

so, yeah, the reason the U.S. is more backward than many other western nations is because of the negative influence of Pat Robertson, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, etc. devotees.

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Michael Moore opens his big mouth... [View all] Archae Oct 2013 OP

I agree with Moore. lob1 Oct 2013 #1

The radical Christian right has served as a tool for corporations....nt Enthusiast Oct 2013 #46

And radical Islamists have served as tools for despots in the Moslem world. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #78

Religion is a tool. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #143

+1 Scuba Oct 2013 #58

+1 newfie11 Oct 2013 #64

Actually, BOTH Moore and Maher are right BlueStreak Oct 2013 #79

I appreciate a Blue point of view. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #130

Well said / written! Quantess Oct 2013 #153

+1 Bill Maher acted like he'd never heard the term 'Christian Dominionist'... Octafish Oct 2013 #114

Exactly how? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #2

I absolutely agree with Moore on this. Both radical Islam and radical Christianity damage... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #3

And his big mouth was right. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #4

I agree with Moore. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #5

I agree with Moore too DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #6

MM was correct, but you're not demwing Oct 2013 #55

+1. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #132

Maher suffers from Hitchensism on this Scootaloo Oct 2013 #7

we have stronger democratic institutions RainDog Oct 2013 #8

+1. Well said. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #133

Well, he's not too far off the mark. longship Oct 2013 #9

destorying a party Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #16

Consider what happened when they achieved power in 2001. longship Oct 2013 #19

I am not going down the road of false Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #22

Watch this and get back with us on that Fumesucker Oct 2013 #50

Have you never heard of the War on Terror? With bible verses printed on the cover of briefs? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #23

WTF. Moore is right. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #10

He's right LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #11

How exactly? He's right. nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #12

MM is absolutely correct here. AzDar Oct 2013 #13

I'd have to agree with Moore here. Whisp Oct 2013 #14

We are NOT in the (bleep)-ing "dark ages." Archae Oct 2013 #15

So it appears the methods of extreme radical Islam are brutal. That doesn't mean it's more dangerous Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #20

Not to mention the bombings of women's health clinics and venues like tblue37 Oct 2013 #53

You should look up literary devices my friend nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #21

Is a "literary device" a license to lie? Archae Oct 2013 #26

I see, you hate Moore nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #27

No, I don't "hate Moore." Archae Oct 2013 #29

I guess the they did not read the USPA in DC nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #30

You apparently have never heard of the 'big tent'. Demit Oct 2013 #34

I think your talking points are disproven by the vast acclaim Moore has gotten from Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #104

I was going to back you up but with that, nah, fuck it. joshcryer Oct 2013 #37

well, the U.S. is the only western democracy RainDog Oct 2013 #56

I don't disagree with Moore's intent. joshcryer Oct 2013 #59

Ooook. sibelian Oct 2013 #94

who's "We"? lame54 Oct 2013 #120

um Skittles Oct 2013 #41

So anyone who disagrees with you is stupid? SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #81

The relatives of 500,000 dead Iraqis would disagree with you, the body count of grantcart Oct 2013 #99

That, sir, is a killer post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #136

�You want to know something? We are still in the Dark Ages. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Laelth Oct 2013 #135

...and drops another truth bomb on the religiously deluded. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #17

Always pleased to see new commentary from Michael Moore posted. pa28 Oct 2013 #18

I don't think it was all the fault of the Christian right ... MindMover Oct 2013 #24

The Tea Party is more highly educated than America as a whole, God help us Fumesucker Oct 2013 #47

God helps those who help themselves ... MindMover Oct 2013 #93

I was respoding to this part of your post Fumesucker Oct 2013 #98

That is exactly what the bushies said .... MindMover Oct 2013 #116

And yet, once again, the Teabaggers are more highly educated than the average American Fumesucker Oct 2013 #121

Degrees bought and paid for by hard working Americans ... MindMover Oct 2013 #137

I'm going to join the chorus, and agree with Moore. 1000words Oct 2013 #25

Moore is correct. It's been the goal of GOP since 1980 to create dumb sheep Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #28

I don't agree with Moore in regard to the degree of "dark ages" he claims-- TwilightGardener Oct 2013 #31

Yeah, I think Moore's right, too. TDale313 Oct 2013 #32

Deity bless him for it. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #33

Pffft. Kind of like arguing which is worse to ingest, Thegonagle Oct 2013 #35

Actually, what Moore was arguing was that Maher was generalizing to all Muslims, not just radical lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #36

Absolutely, he was trying to distance himself from Maher's appalling Islamophobic bigotry CrawlingChaos Oct 2013 #44

If your examples are 700-800 years old, probably not good examples joeglow3 Oct 2013 #85

Did you miss the Church bombings? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #107

Never knew the KKK was endorsed by any Christian religion. joeglow3 Oct 2013 #119

Al-qadia isn't "endorsed" either. white_wolf Oct 2013 #123

When exactly was Al Qaida endorsed? nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #131

True. Lack of condemnation instead joeglow3 Oct 2013 #144

I have missed serious condemnation of the Christian Identity movement nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #147

Conversly, "Al qaeda SUPPORTED by mainstream muslims" leads to some staggering stats joeglow3 Oct 2013 #152

I think you need some links. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #154

That's exactly what I was thinking! kiawah Oct 2013 #108

Another agree for Moore Warpy Oct 2013 #38

Yes, we remember what the nation used to be like Enthusiast Oct 2013 #45

A radical version of any creed BlueMTexpat Oct 2013 #39

I agree with Moore too. eom B Calm Oct 2013 #40

If we're not in the dark ages, it's not for a lack of trying on the part of the religious right. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #42

Agreed. Add in Carnival Cruz, Joe Barton, et al. and it's a full crew... freshwest Oct 2013 #73

Agreed. GOP Paul Broun, a U.S. Rep from Georgia and a doctor, who sits on the science committee, BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #111

+ 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #117

I side with Michael Moore. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #43

I remember the trolls howling when 'Fahrenheit 911' came out RandiFan1290 Oct 2013 #48

Someone put their foot in their mouth again Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #49

Haha, that's exactly what I was thinking! City Lights Oct 2013 #74

Michael Moore opens his big mouth... AngryOldDem Oct 2013 #51

I think religion is toxic in general jollyreaper2112 Oct 2013 #52

Thanks to Micheal Moore G_j Oct 2013 #54

"Michael Moore opens his big mouth�" handmade34 Oct 2013 #57

Hmmmm... 99Forever Oct 2013 #60

Moore is right, and it's a lesson I hope we've learned. Paladin Oct 2013 #61

Michael Moore, #1 conservative troll bait reddread Oct 2013 #62

Michael Moore opens his big mouth... and the truth comes out kydo Oct 2013 #63

How have they taken over? treestar Oct 2013 #65

Big OP Fail. RagAss Oct 2013 #66

So what did he say that you find offensive? notadmblnd Oct 2013 #67

IMO Mr Dixon Oct 2013 #68

He spoke the truth - good on Michael Moore! polichick Oct 2013 #69

+1 Maher Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #70

ITT people arguing for American exceptionalism. joshcryer Oct 2013 #71

Too bad you can't ask Dr. George Tiller what he thinks of radical Xianity. nt raccoon Oct 2013 #72

Strange. I agree with him, and don't feel this is a "foot-in-the-mouth" issue. IdaBriggs Oct 2013 #75

Really? Are you sure you're on the right website? Autumn Colors Oct 2013 #76

LOL, well, he is right. You are wrong! As you see now! nt Logical Oct 2013 #77

He is absolutely right Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #80

The Radical Religious Right allied with Huge Money set this nation back an entire generation. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #82

Self-pwned by your own OP. marmar Oct 2013 #83

LOL! City Lights Oct 2013 #122

I dunno man. reflection Oct 2013 #84

Strange, I never hear Moore or his fan club mention his time at Mother Jones... Archae Oct 2013 #86

No need. sibelian Oct 2013 #95

Still trying to rescue your fail thread? Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #109

wow... a eureka vacuum cleaner for 89 bucks! madrchsod Oct 2013 #139

Moore is right. Radical Christianity is as bad as radical Islam. nt bluestate10 Oct 2013 #87

Yet another agreement with Moore NastyRiffraff Oct 2013 #88

They're terrorists! n/t ProSense Oct 2013 #89

I agree with MM 100%. Greybnk48 Oct 2013 #90

I saw the show and I felt bad for Al Sharpton ecstatic Oct 2013 #91

that is why i don`t watch maher... madrchsod Oct 2013 #138

I wish more Americans would stick that foot in their mouth. nt raouldukelives Oct 2013 #92

Moore's right. Iggo Oct 2013 #96

Moore Bashing is a Dead Giveaway whatchamacallit Oct 2013 #97

really? because we dare to criticize moore or maher we are freepers? madrchsod Oct 2013 #141

here is a video of that discussion - where Michael Moore pleads for a bit of understanding Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #100

Thanks for posting that n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #102

I noticed in Religulous, Maher went after every religion but Judaism whatchamacallit Oct 2013 #105

I agree with Moore: Fanaticism IS the enemy Taverner Oct 2013 #101

We need more Moore's RC Oct 2013 #103

+100 nt narnian60 Oct 2013 #112

BFD.. Maher's show is all about opinions.. SoCalDem Oct 2013 #110

that`s where it used to be before the republicans needed the religious conservatives. madrchsod Oct 2013 #142

What did he get wrong? Fundamentalist christianity has destroyed this country. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #113

Living in America, the radical Christian right has certainly fucked me over more than radical Islam Tom Ripley Oct 2013 #115

Somebody's mask has slipped. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #118

Radical Christianity is far more damaging to most Americans than Radical Islam is. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #124

no doubt in my mind that the christian right has had a more deleterious affect ellenfl Oct 2013 #125

Thank you Michael for staying real. peace13 Oct 2013 #126

This has very little to do with religion. Laelth Oct 2013 #127

Yeah like anyone would expect you to say something good about MM. Rex Oct 2013 #128

Huh? Matariki Oct 2013 #129

As usual, Michael Moore is absolutely right. NT SalviaBlue Oct 2013 #134

Moore is terrified he'll be called a racist... MicaelS Oct 2013 #140

Or whatchamacallit Oct 2013 #146

Or he thinks the christian right is fucking this country up. Iggo Oct 2013 #149

A point about which Maher, at least as far as the U.S. is concerned, is totally wrong. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #145

I saw the exchange and frankly they are both arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #148

I must congratulate the OP on a brilliant ploy to bring attention to Michael Moore Fumesucker Oct 2013 #150

second strange post today lunasun Oct 2013 #151

Moor is right, but Maher is right too. idwiyo Oct 2013 #155