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haele

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69. Or, they find it quite adequate until something actually happens.
Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:18 PM
Oct 2013

Well, perhaps only .005% of the population with cheap catastrophic insurance will suddenly developed a medical situation that the insurance doesn't cover. And will develop something avoidably chronic, go bankrupt, or die because they were suddenly faced with paying monstrous sums of money out of pocket on medical bills.

Problem with cut-rate medical insurance is that everyone will need medical care at some time in their life. And no one gets to pick the time they'll need it.
Everyone I know - including myself - has faced an extreme medical issue or developed a chronic condition that needed to be monitored or maintained, and none of us had a choice as to when it happened to us. The people I know who had no insurance or a cheap catastrophic plan always ended up owing a significant amount up front - thousands to tens of thousands of dollars - to deal with the medical issue.

While I might have been paying an equivalent amount over the years on a good plan, I've been able to keep my family and my health conditions to the level that we are able to maintain significant functionality. If my employer had decided to go with a cheap insurance that was basically a coupon book for doctors and services "in network" instead of going with a real insurance plan, we'd have been putting off treatment and probably ending up in bankruptcy and with a totally disabled, almost vegetative family member because we couldn't afford $400 a visit to a specialist every month, the $3800 a month in bio-medicine treatment and $800 - $1200 every three months in lab tests that wouldn't be covered by that "perfectly adequate" insurance.

No, that family member didn't plan to become disabled, and was living a very active, reasonably healthy life until he was in his early 40's. Never "needed to go" to the doctor for anything other than a cold or check-up before his body decided to quit. Yeah, we were complaining about the cost of my employer provided full-coverage insurance - until we needed it back in 2003. And if we had dropped that and gone with an alternative cheaper market-purchased catastrophic plan and waited "until we needed it" to get the better insurance we would have been SOL for getting any insurance at all.

Yes, there's a lot that needs to be fixed with the ACA. A whole lot of cracks that need patching, if people in the States or in Congress were willing to work on fixing the problems instead of pitching a political bitch.

But those "adequate, affordable" plans that were around prior to this year were really nothing more than a medical coupon club, and pretty close to worthless as health care coverage to most Americans who were got them. They're really set up for people who already had enough money to cover most medical bills but wanted the equivalent of "un-insured motorist" coverage for any big unplanned medical situations.

Haele

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Your employer and your insurance company have always been able to take away JoePhilly Oct 2013 #1
Exactly. For the next 2 years, EVERY HC related issue will be blamed on "Obamacare" BlueStreak Oct 2013 #2
The good news will be that the ACA has basically broken up much of the State level monopolies JoePhilly Oct 2013 #5
Not all of them, but progress nonetheless BlueStreak Oct 2013 #45
problem is the speeches the President was making didn't detail it. What he said was you can keep lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #7
So true. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #12
They really have to fix these oversights ASAP lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #3
my replacement policy PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #8
No, some just discovered they had no insurance. They had been sold a bill of goods. Mass Oct 2013 #9
Or, they had a "catastrophic" insurance policy which really isn't "health insurance." CTyankee Oct 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #64
Or, they find it quite adequate until something actually happens. haele Oct 2013 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #35
many people see the following as a bit more than "implied" solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #18
"Implied" is not a synonym for "stated" cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #62
Oh, you again Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #63
That is still nothing different from what the insurers were already doing. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #44
That's a good question. Joe Scar had a field day with it on MJ today... CTyankee Oct 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #11
Ya think? eom cilla4progress Oct 2013 #13
Isn't part of it too that the better substitute can be a lot more expensive? I can't imagine Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2013 #46
that seems to be the problem, altho some people would say they don't want the enhancements. CTyankee Oct 2013 #66
This implies you had insurance. Some of these contracts were insurance in name only. Mass Oct 2013 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #14
Suing for the old contracts not being what they thought they were buying. Mass Oct 2013 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #37
I don't know..mine was through the state, and it worked well for me. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #16
You were lucky not to have been seriously ill. I had breast cancer a few years ago and I was happy Mass Oct 2013 #20
I suppose one of the challenges cilla4progress Oct 2013 #22
Welp, TBH, he shouldn't have said that. Adrahil Oct 2013 #21
But his advisers could very well have said that saying" qualified plans" would look like a CTyankee Oct 2013 #23
Maybe he could have been clearer, but ecstatic Oct 2013 #24
Then my dream would be that Prez Obama would say, "OK, folks. Let's try another approach... CTyankee Oct 2013 #25
As a public option? Yes, that would have been great ecstatic Oct 2013 #27
well, I'll bet that you are right that PBO regrets trying to compromise as it was a doomed CTyankee Oct 2013 #30
Employers changed policies or dropped coverage altogether by decreasing blm Oct 2013 #28
we just got our new insurance at work. littlewolf Oct 2013 #29
HHS seems to be stepping into pile of shit. That agency wrote the REG on bluestate10 Oct 2013 #31
This is very interesting. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #53
As in all things, people hear what they want to hear matt819 Oct 2013 #32
No, people heard what they actually heard cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #33
Disagree matt819 Oct 2013 #47
"If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep... leftstreet Oct 2013 #34
Um... we HAVE SoCalDem Oct 2013 #38
there are definitely certain issues that need to be addressed cynannmarie Oct 2013 #39
Folks like you cilla4progress Oct 2013 #57
This is taking 'parsing' to an entirely new level. randome Oct 2013 #41
^^^^^THIS IS....^^^^^^ Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #42
Exactly. It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #43
As far as I know mine hasn't EVEN cilla4progress Oct 2013 #60
Every person in this country knew he was full of shit when he said that. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #48
Wha? cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #49
Yes, everyone paying attention knew it was a lie. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #54
Don't pull the concern troll attitude with me. I support ACA and I don't ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #50
No high horse here. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #51
And I by mine. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #52
Just to clarify. You paid attention to the ACA debate and thought it was an honest comment? nt NCTraveler Oct 2013 #55
No, I was pointing out that we weren't talking about it, thereby ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #58
YES! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #61
You believed that, but didn't believe other staments by him that contradicted it? nt. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #65
Such as? eom cilla4progress Oct 2013 #67
I for one heard PBO make that statement about keeping your insurance several times and I did not CTyankee Oct 2013 #68
Fair enough. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #70
I must confess that I was not a prescient as you were about this. However, I do wonder if my guess CTyankee Oct 2013 #71
Think Progress debunked NBC's report on insurance cancellations, and there is more ProSense Oct 2013 #56
He was wrong? Is it possible for the POTUS to be incorrect? Rex Oct 2013 #59
Unfortunately … 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #72
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