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71. I must confess that I was not a prescient as you were about this. However, I do wonder if my guess

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 03:34 PM

Oct 2013

that he learned about this fundamental change (contradiction) to what he said earlier LATER (after HHS was busy writing the regs) is correct. That's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

It does NOT make sense to me that he would directly LIE over and over again. For one thing, he and his staff know the videos of him saying it exist and would be played ad nauseum. They must have known they were going to take a hit and a bad one right at the start of the rollout, but felt there was nothing they could do. At that point, it was what it was.

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The President said: "You can keep your current insurance policy." [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 OP

Your employer and your insurance company have always been able to take away JoePhilly Oct 2013 #1

Exactly. For the next 2 years, EVERY HC related issue will be blamed on "Obamacare" BlueStreak Oct 2013 #2

The good news will be that the ACA has basically broken up much of the State level monopolies JoePhilly Oct 2013 #5

Not all of them, but progress nonetheless BlueStreak Oct 2013 #45

problem is the speeches the President was making didn't detail it. What he said was you can keep lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #7

So true. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #12

They really have to fix these oversights ASAP lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #15

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my replacement policy PasadenaTrudy Oct 2013 #6

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No, some just discovered they had no insurance. They had been sold a bill of goods. Mass Oct 2013 #9

Or, they had a "catastrophic" insurance policy which really isn't "health insurance." CTyankee Oct 2013 #19

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Or, they find it quite adequate until something actually happens. haele Oct 2013 #69

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many people see the following as a bit more than "implied" solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #18

"Implied" is not a synonym for "stated" cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #26

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Oh, you again Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #36

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That is still nothing different from what the insurers were already doing. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #44

That's a good question. Joe Scar had a field day with it on MJ today... CTyankee Oct 2013 #4

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Ya think? eom cilla4progress Oct 2013 #13

Isn't part of it too that the better substitute can be a lot more expensive? I can't imagine Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2013 #46

that seems to be the problem, altho some people would say they don't want the enhancements. CTyankee Oct 2013 #66

This implies you had insurance. Some of these contracts were insurance in name only. Mass Oct 2013 #10

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Suing for the old contracts not being what they thought they were buying. Mass Oct 2013 #17

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I don't know..mine was through the state, and it worked well for me. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #16

You were lucky not to have been seriously ill. I had breast cancer a few years ago and I was happy Mass Oct 2013 #20

I suppose one of the challenges cilla4progress Oct 2013 #22

Welp, TBH, he shouldn't have said that. Adrahil Oct 2013 #21

But his advisers could very well have said that saying" qualified plans" would look like a CTyankee Oct 2013 #23

Maybe he could have been clearer, but ecstatic Oct 2013 #24

Then my dream would be that Prez Obama would say, "OK, folks. Let's try another approach... CTyankee Oct 2013 #25

As a public option? Yes, that would have been great ecstatic Oct 2013 #27

well, I'll bet that you are right that PBO regrets trying to compromise as it was a doomed CTyankee Oct 2013 #30

Employers changed policies or dropped coverage altogether by decreasing blm Oct 2013 #28

we just got our new insurance at work. littlewolf Oct 2013 #29

HHS seems to be stepping into pile of shit. That agency wrote the REG on bluestate10 Oct 2013 #31

This is very interesting. cilla4progress Oct 2013 #53

As in all things, people hear what they want to hear matt819 Oct 2013 #32

No, people heard what they actually heard cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #33

Disagree matt819 Oct 2013 #47

"If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep... leftstreet Oct 2013 #34

Um... we HAVE SoCalDem Oct 2013 #38

there are definitely certain issues that need to be addressed cynannmarie Oct 2013 #39

Folks like you cilla4progress Oct 2013 #57

This is taking 'parsing' to an entirely new level. randome Oct 2013 #41

^^^^^THIS IS....^^^^^^ Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #42

Exactly. It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #43

As far as I know mine hasn't EVEN cilla4progress Oct 2013 #60

Every person in this country knew he was full of shit when he said that. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #48

Wha? cthulu2016 Oct 2013 #49

Yes, everyone paying attention knew it was a lie. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #54

Don't pull the concern troll attitude with me. I support ACA and I don't ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #50

No high horse here. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #51

And I by mine. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #52

Just to clarify. You paid attention to the ACA debate and thought it was an honest comment? nt NCTraveler Oct 2013 #55

No, I was pointing out that we weren't talking about it, thereby ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2013 #58

YES! cilla4progress Oct 2013 #61

You believed that, but didn't believe other staments by him that contradicted it? nt. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #65

Such as? eom cilla4progress Oct 2013 #67

I for one heard PBO make that statement about keeping your insurance several times and I did not CTyankee Oct 2013 #68

Fair enough. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #70

I must confess that I was not a prescient as you were about this. However, I do wonder if my guess CTyankee Oct 2013 #71

Think Progress debunked NBC's report on insurance cancellations, and there is more ProSense Oct 2013 #56

He was wrong? Is it possible for the POTUS to be incorrect? Rex Oct 2013 #59

Unfortunately � 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2013 #72