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antigone382

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113. Point 1: there are many medical procedures that no ethical doctor will carry out electively.

Tue Oct 29, 2013, 04:00 PM

Oct 2013

It may be my body, but I do not have the choice to demand any medical service I want, such as prescriptions for certain medications that are harmful or addictive in incorrect amounts. A doctor who *did* gratify that choice would be committing a crime. Whether that should or should not be the case is debatable, but it certainly is not gender specific. For that matter, try getting your tubes tied as a young woman with no children, and see how long it takes you to find a doctor to carry out the procedure.

Point 2: in the case of the PSA test, it still *is* your body, your choice. The simple reality is that if you want to have that test carried out at a rate that scientific evidence shows is more harmful than it is beneficial, it is going to have to be on your own dime.

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once again, we have the damn mentality that the man is all that and fuck the woman. wtf is this. [View all] seabeyond Oct 2013 OP

And it's a woman arguing that point to boot! Kaleva Oct 2013 #1

"On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." Cerridwen Oct 2013 #11

I think of that little gem often here Hekate Oct 2013 #86

Or claims to be. But some of the posts made me wonder. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #106

or representing themselves as a woman CreekDog Oct 2013 #108

I haven't read enough of what that person posts... Kaleva Oct 2013 #110

That's it. Everybody needs to know. Dash87 Oct 2013 #118

Does the ACA cover prostate exams? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #2

does it cover breast exams? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #3

I don't actually know. That's why I'm asking. Does the ACA cover either? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #4

that is what everyone seems to be up in arms with. seems like this is the angle to use, to suggest seabeyond Oct 2013 #7

I understand what you're saying. I also know who it is that's trolling GD... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #15

that is fine. address the very serious problem. that has nothing to do with maternity seabeyond Oct 2013 #19

Yeah, I don't think it's men being picked on. Every aspect of life is designed to benefit men... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #22

Yeah, that's the idea that riles me -- men are picked on = women did it. Now, Nay Oct 2013 #101

Under ACA preventive care is free and medical care is covered. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #51

Yes, and it need not be part of a regular physical. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #53

prostate is covered also, in yearlies. so whoever brought up the bogus bullshit to whine misandry seabeyond Oct 2013 #54

not really. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #55

how effective is the psa, and is it harmful. what is the issue with it lumberjack? seabeyond Oct 2013 #57

I dunno. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #61

Actually, I just read such a story about mammograms not too long ago... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #62

Are you now saying that mammograms shouldn't be free? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #64

What I'm saying is a discussion exists where you don't seem to see one. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #66

The nature of the cost/benefit discussion is moot. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #68

Yes, but are excessive mammograms considered harmful to women's health? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #71

if you do not know what the issue is, maybe you should educate yourself. seabeyond Oct 2013 #65

health care isn't a snack bar. how clueless. WHY is breast cancer screening covered? CreekDog Oct 2013 #112

Doctors have an ethical and legal responsibility to refuse care that does more harm than good. antigone382 Oct 2013 #122

A PSA mercuryblues Oct 2013 #89

thanks for the info mercury. 75% is pretty high. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #98

It appears the screening of PSA is quite literally not recommended by medical bodies. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #59

The same debate is offered about mammograms and breast cancer genetic screening. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #63

it's never been up to me, it's up to the recommendation of my doc, who follows bettyellen Oct 2013 #102

No, the same debate is not offered about mammograms and breast cancer genetic screening CreekDog Oct 2013 #125

My husband's PSA testing literally saved his life. phylny Oct 2013 #92

I guess in your scenario it must have been at least a year or two since her last mammogram whopis01 Oct 2013 #104

You do realize they are only going to allow one mammogram a year right? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #127

No, it's not equivalent. hunter Oct 2013 #82

Me too Enthusiast Oct 2013 #88

You did know that the ACA was passed two full years before the recommendation? Right? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #103

You don't know the law you are pretending to quote CreekDog Oct 2013 #114

Let me explain this. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #115

As part of a yearly physical, yes. Lars39 Oct 2013 #5

Does the ACA cover prostate exams that are requested by a doctor for a specific purpose? Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #8

That I don't know, but I would think that it would be covered by insurance like Lars39 Oct 2013 #16

Okay, so it's pretty likely that the ACA covers all sorts of prostate exams. And that deflates... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #18

but if breast cancer screening is included in this it ALREADY deflates the bullshit mens right seabeyond Oct 2013 #21

"covers" <> "free" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #67

It would seem that the intent is to minimize possible harm from prostate exam overscreening. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #69

His body, his choice. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #70

You don't seem to understand the difference here so I'll try again. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #73

Point 1: there are many medical procedures that no ethical doctor will carry out electively. antigone382 Oct 2013 #113

you're saying a congress, the Senate and the president discriminated against men CreekDog Oct 2013 #126

It would be the same if a woman's doctor requested a mammogram outside the norm tammywammy Oct 2013 #23

then wtf is everyone going on about. geeez. thank you for the info. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #9

btu that really is NOT what my post is about. we give ALL the preg to the woman. it is ALL about seabeyond Oct 2013 #14

Because women have demanded, fought for and received sole sovereignty of their wombs.. SQUEE Oct 2013 #119

You do know that's part of your annual physical, don't you? So yes, it's covered. Hekate Oct 2013 #85

Of course it does! That's a normal part of a man's physical. pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

yes, if they are medically necessary CreekDog Oct 2013 #109

No, you're not wrong. TDale313 Oct 2013 #6

The entire paradigm in which Americans view health insurance is one single RW talking point NoOneMan Oct 2013 #10

Translation Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #12

it is HIS damn seed in the woman that is causing all the issue. so ya, in YOUR book a man fucks and seabeyond Oct 2013 #17

Did I say he should walk? Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #20

no, it was the man bad bullshit and the first sentence. seabeyond Oct 2013 #34

Agreed! pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #29

What's with the extremely misogynist flamebaiting here? kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #58

Habit. n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #60

It's not misogyny. Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #84

what is the problem? that is how it is being presented. where am i not factually correct? seabeyond Oct 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author moriah Oct 2013 #128

No idea what this is about quinnox Oct 2013 #13

Yeah... whttevrr Oct 2013 #27

Men rule, women drool Renew Deal Oct 2013 #28

May I offer up some clues? SMC22307 Oct 2013 #36

If health care is a public good, the public will debate each service; who gets what, when, how much FarCenter Oct 2013 #24

That is already happening. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #33

Why don't they do that with Medicare? leftstreet Oct 2013 #83

There is considerable debate; for example, should men over 70 get PSA tests FarCenter Oct 2013 #94

Should men have a say when a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy? Renew Deal Oct 2013 #25

ya. not into choice huh? ergo, since men cant dictate a preg or lack of, they do not have to take seabeyond Oct 2013 #30

I won't lie to you, the matter of responsibility is a somewhat complicated subject. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #38

wrong. that is one of the oh so not fair moments in a mans life. no. it is not tough. not fair seabeyond Oct 2013 #42

Identifying what is not fair should not be the same as endorsing what is not fair. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #44

while they fetus is in the womans body, it is ALL about the woman. and that still does not exclude seabeyond Oct 2013 #46

Yeah but you and I both know very few things in life are simple... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #49

Thank Skinner for Ignore. I missed the Misogyny Show on DU today. I know you can't post it in GD. freshwest Oct 2013 #26

Someone began a reply to me on here the other day: "If women want equal rights" BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #31

wow,. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #35

FFS, consider the source of that thread. SMC22307 Oct 2013 #32

started with cd thread and dsc subthread to walk into the other. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #37

We've already seen the high profile exit of someone using right wing talking points to attack the stevenleser Oct 2013 #39

+++1000 n/t cynatnite Oct 2013 #40

Take the author of the thread into consideration. tammywammy Oct 2013 #41

ya. but really it started on creekdogs thread. though that person professes women not allowed choice seabeyond Oct 2013 #43

Sad comment. peace13 Oct 2013 #75

not really. the poster regularly starts OPs seabeyond Oct 2013 #77

There are times UtahLib Oct 2013 #45

I call misandry on this! NuclearDem Oct 2013 #47

just for you. cause it looks so good in the other thread, we need it here. seabeyond Oct 2013 #48

I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #50

I thought it was about having to pay for coverage Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #52

thanks for the laugh lol nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #91

Here, I speak seabeyond. Dr. Strange Oct 2013 #111

Barbara? Is that you? sl8 Oct 2013 #116

lmFao... that was fun. lol. only one little misinterpretation but close enough seabeyond Oct 2013 #117

Crap. Dr. Strange Oct 2013 #121

it was only a partial and in re reading, i can see how you were accurate in your even handedness. seabeyond Oct 2013 #132

Now, can you do that to all of her posts? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #120

Wow, you're good. NealK Oct 2013 #133

ya, and then there are always the assholes. kinda like what dr responded too. too many perfectly seabeyond Oct 2013 #135

"need dr to transfer that for you?" NealK Oct 2013 #138

see, as i say, an ass. transcribed. seabeyond Oct 2013 #140

Hum. NealK Oct 2013 #144

i was angry, disgusted last night. i read thru a thread with men stating how unfair maternity was. seabeyond Oct 2013 #145

Hahahaha... redqueen Oct 2013 #137

Funny, I had NO problem understanding. I do recognize being purposely obtuse is retread Oct 2013 #146

But.. But... Why would anyone seek to cause division and strife on a topic like the ACA? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #56

Was the totally out of left field attack on Texas really necessary? Llewlladdwr Oct 2013 #72

She lives in Amarillo, Texas or somewhere in the panhandle. n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #74

well, good point, but seeing how i am sittin in amarillo texas, and this reminded me just like the seabeyond Oct 2013 #76

Interesting way to word things The Straight Story Oct 2013 #78

you are anti choice, right? am i remembering correctly? nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #79

He's very much pro-choice and says so in his post tammywammy Oct 2013 #80

obviously i did not read it. i thought i remembered him being anti choice. i do not even bother seabeyond Oct 2013 #81

be careful when an MRA claims to be pro-choice CreekDog Oct 2013 #123

I know several men who are very against abortion for that reason. moriah Oct 2013 #131

The best advice is for men to be careful where they deposit their seed. moriah Oct 2013 #129

Please provide a link to the original thread. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #87

this one I think: steve2470 Oct 2013 #93

Ah, ok. redgreenandblue Oct 2013 #95

you're very welcome ! :) nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #96

Breathe deep... Decaffeinated Oct 2013 #90

faint? really??..... seabeyond Oct 2013 #100

Who is "we?" 99Forever Oct 2013 #97

Yep. There are some misogynistic assholes posting this crap on DU. Arugula Latte Oct 2013 #105

Many progressives are actually people who wish they were. dogknob Oct 2013 #124

how does picking what coverage an individual wants Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #130

no. it is not a valid point. and that is the issue. that simple. not a valid point. it takes a seabeyond Oct 2013 #134

before on the individual Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #136

because all women absorbed the cost that caused us to pay a higher cost, simply for being a woman. seabeyond Oct 2013 #139

so it is all about the subsidy. Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #141

Society as a whole benefits when women have children. If they didn't, duffyduff Oct 2013 #142

i think. i did not even know this was an issue until hearing thread after thread talking the seabeyond Oct 2013 #143

Yeah, but maybe coyotespaw Oct 2013 #147

i like your post. it is fun. nt seabeyond Oct 2013 #148