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trof

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Tue Oct 29, 2013, 07:06 PM Oct 2013

This is what airline pilots USED to know. [View all]

Got this email from a pilot friend.
This is what it was like in my day.
I retired from flying in 1999.
It's long, but maybe worth the read?

"Compare this to Asiana where the pilots can't even fly visual approaches but must use the auto-pilot. I still remember my days as a B720 Engineer listening to check pilots quizzing the Captain about peak elevations and visual landmarks. Made a big impression on me at the time----do you think the airlines even care about this stuff nowadays? I guess they think the computer will figure it out"

The Payoff
Dedicated to Frank Crismon (1903-1990)
by Capt. G. C. Kehmeier (United Airlines, Ret.)

“I ought to make you buy a ticket to ride this airline!" The chief pilot's words were scalding. I had just transferred from San Francisco to Denver. Frank Crismon, my new boss, was giving me a route check between Denver and Salt Lake City.
"Any man who flies for me will know this route," he continued. "'Fourteen thousand feet will clear Kings Peak' is not adequate. You had better know that Kings Peak is exactly 13,498 feet high. Bitter Creek is not 'about 7,000 feet.' It is exactly 7,185 feet, and the identifying code for the beacon is dash dot dash.

"I'm putting you on probation for one month, and then I'll ride with you again. If you want to work for me, you had better start studying!"
Wow! He wasn't kidding! For a month, I pored over sectional charts, auto road maps, Jeppesen approach charts, and topographic quadrangle maps. I learned the elevation and code for every airway beacon between the West Coast and Chicago. I learned the frequencies, runway lengths, and approach procedures for every airport. From city road maps, I plotted the streets that would funnel me to the various runways at each city.
A month later he was on my trip.

"What is the length of the north-south runway at Milford?" "Fifty-one fifty."
"How high is Antelope Island?" "Sixty-seven hundred feet."
"If your radio fails on an Ogden-Salt Lake approach, what should you do?" "Make a right turn to 290 degrees and climb to 13,000 feet."
"What is the elevation of the Upper Red Butte beacon?" "Seventy-three hundred."
"How high is the Laramie Field?" "Seventy-two fifty."
This lasted for the three hours from Denver to Salt Lake City.
"I'm going to turn you loose on your own. Remember what you have learned. I don't want to ever have to scrape you off some hillside with a book on your lap!"

Twenty years later, I was the Captain on a Boeing 720 from San Francisco to Chicago. We were cruising in the cold, clear air at 37,000 feet.
South of Grand Junction a deep low-pressure area fed moist air upslope into Denver, causing snow, low ceilings, and restricted visibility. The forecast for Chicago's O'Hare Field was 200 feet and one-half mile, barely minimums.
Over the Utah-Colorado border, the backbone of the continent showed white in the noonday sun. I switched on the intercom and gave the passengers the word.

"We are over Grand Junction at the confluence of the Gunnison and Colorado Rivers. On our right and a little ahead is the Switzerland of America--the rugged San Juan Mountains. In 14 minutes we will cross the Continental Divide west of Denver. We will arrive O'Hare at 3:30 Chicago time."

Over Glenwood Springs, the generator overheat light came on.
"Number 2 won't stay on the bus," the engineer advised.
He placed the essential power selector to number 3. The power failure light went out for a couple of seconds and then came on again, glowing ominously.

"Smoke is coming out of the main power shield," the engineer yelled.
"Hand me the goggles."
The engineer reached behind the observer's seat, unzipped a small container, and handed the copilot and me each a pair of ski goggles. The smoke was getting thick.

I slipped the oxygen mask that is stored above the left side of the pilot's seat over my nose and mouth. By pressing a button on the control wheel, I could talk to the copilot and the engineer through the battery-powered intercom. By flipping a switch, either of us could talk to the passengers.
"Emergency descent!" I closed the thrust levers. The engines that had been purring quietly like a giant vacuum cleaner since San Francisco spooled down to a quiet rumble. I established a turn to the left and pulled the speed brake lever to extend the flight spoilers.
"Gear down. Advise passengers to fasten seat belts and no smoking."
I held the nose forward, and the mountains along the Continental Divide came up rapidly. The smoke was thinning.
"Bring cabin altitude to 14,000 feet," I ordered.

At 14,000 feet over Fraser, we leveled and retracted the gear and speed brakes. The engineer opened the ram air switch and the smoke disappeared. We removed our goggles and masks.
Fuel is vital to the life of a big jet, and electricity is almost as vital. The artificial horizon and other electronic instruments, with which I navigated and made approaches through the clouds, were now so much tin and brass. All I had left was the altimeter, the airspeed, and the magnetic compass--simple instruments that guided airplanes 35 years earlier.
"Advise passengers we are making a Denver stop."

"The last Denver weather was 300 feet with visibility one-half mile in heavy snow. Wind was northeast at 15 knots with gusts to 20," the copilot volunteered.
"I know. I heard it."
The clouds merged against the mountains above Golden. Boulder was in the clear. To the northeast, the stratus clouds were thick like the wool on the back of a Rambouillet buck before shearing.
I dropped the nose and we moved over the red sandstone buildings of the University of Colorado. We headed southeast and picked up the Denver-Boulder turnpike.
"We will fly the turnpike to the Broomfield turnoff, then east on Broomfield Road to Colorado Boulevard, then south to 26th Avenue, then east to Runway 8."

The copilot, a San Francisco reserve, gave me a doubtful look. One doesn't scud-run to the end of the runway under a 300-foot ceiling in a big jet.
Coming south on Colorado Boulevard, we were down to 100 feet above the highway. Lose it and I would have to pull up into the clouds and fly the gauges when I had no gauges. Hang onto it and I would get into Stapleton Field. I picked up the golf course and started a turn to the left.
"Gear down and 30 degrees."
The copilot moved a lever with a little wheel on it. He placed the flap lever in the 30-degree slot.
I shoved the thrust levers forward.
"Don't let me get less than 150 knots. I'm outside."

I counted the avenues as they slid underneath. . .30th, 29th, and 28th. I remembered that there was neither a 31st nor a 27th. I picked up 26th. The snow was slanting out of the northeast. The poplar trees and power lines showed starkly through the storm. With electrical power gone, we had no windshield heat. Fortunately, the snow was not sticking.
"Let me know when you see a school on your side and hack my time at five-second intervals from the east side of the school yard."
Ten seconds.

"There it is. The yard is full of kids. Starting time now!"
Good boy. Smiley faced Holly. From the east side of the school yard, I counted Kearney, then Krameria, Leydon, Locust. Remember the double lane for Monaco Parkway. Then Magnolia, Niagara, Newport. Time the speed at 130 knots. Only eight blocks to the end of the runway. Oneida, Olive, Pontiac, Poplar. From Quebec to Syracuse, the cross streets disappear; figure eight seconds. Keep 26th Avenue under the right side of the nose.
"Full flaps."

Dead ahead, glowing dimly in the swirling snow, were the three green lights marking the east end of Runway 8.
We crossed 20 feet above the center green light and touched down in a crab to the left. I aligned the nose to the runway with the right rudder, dropped the nose wheel, popped the speed brakes, and brought in reverse thrust.
It took us 10 minutes to find the terminal in the swirling whiteout. We saw the dim, flashing red light atop the building indicating the field was closed to all traffic.

A mechanic materialized out of the snow carrying two wands. He waved me into the gate.
I set the parking brake.
"We have ground power," the engineer advised.
"Cut the engines."
The bagpipe skirl of sound spiraled down to silence.
"My hat is off to you, skipper. I don't know how you ever found this airport."
"I used to fly for an ornery old chief pilot who made me learn the route," I replied as I hung up my headset and scratched the top of my head where it itched.

Frank Crismon passed away at his home in Denver on 25 Jan 1990.
Editor's note: Professionalism, readiness, and knowledge can never be replaced by all the electronic gadgets in the world. Whether you drive a truck or a C-17, nothing beats knowing your capabilities and those of your machine, and knowing where you are at all times. It's hard to come up with options if you don't know what's going on.





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I enjoyed this. mgc1961 Oct 2013 #1
Thanks for sharing this, trof. Ptah Oct 2013 #2
Well that's nuthin'... ret5hd Oct 2013 #3
Wow! What a gripping story, my dear trof... CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #4
Agreed mcp37 Oct 2013 #103
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #106
Wonderful story Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #5
I haven't been in a passenger plane since October of '70 madokie Oct 2013 #6
That sounds absolutely hair-raising. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2013 #7
Perfect micro of the macro. dchill Oct 2013 #8
Thanks. 1000words Oct 2013 #9
Great read. Liberal In Texas Oct 2013 #10
I am absolutely gobsmacked at the reception and recs here. trof Oct 2013 #11
Wow. It's great. I hung on every word and am still "on the edge of my seat" Thor_MN Oct 2013 #18
Same here! laundry_queen Oct 2013 #68
you're a long trusted and valued DUer, trof Skittles Oct 2013 #22
Would you like to go steady? trof Oct 2013 #27
I got my fill of pilots in USAF LOL Skittles Oct 2013 #44
Are you kidding? I'd read your stories for days Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #35
yup Skittles Oct 2013 #55
It was a visual feast with few words. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #67
It's not the length of the post... krispos42 Oct 2013 #99
What did he mean by being outside? hootinholler Oct 2013 #12
He was looking out the windshield for visual clues. trof Oct 2013 #17
Makes perfect sense hootinholler Oct 2013 #36
"which does that for you with a computer"... bvar22 Oct 2013 #113
Fantastic! LeftofObama Oct 2013 #13
Recommended. NYC_SKP Oct 2013 #14
I'll be darned. It does stand for "I Follow Roads". Scuba Oct 2013 #15
Ha! IFR trof Oct 2013 #20
I'm writing some code for the FAA hootinholler Oct 2013 #40
Cool. n/t JimDandy Oct 2013 #96
He couldn' t do that today, of course, JimDandy Oct 2013 #97
Absolutely worth the read! Thanks for posting... (nt) petronius Oct 2013 #16
LOVE this Skittles Oct 2013 #19
Good read mikebl Oct 2013 #21
Gann was the master. trof Oct 2013 #25
I knew Ernie Gann slightly but PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #101
Didn't kmow about Gann's wife. Thanks. trof Oct 2013 #124
Great Story! I learned to fly out of Stapleton in the early 70s' MindPilot Oct 2013 #23
AA Pilot in family...I loved this read...and will pass along KoKo Oct 2013 #24
Even though a bit of it was too technical for me rock Oct 2013 #26
excellent article. littlewolf Oct 2013 #28
That was a nail-biter! procon Oct 2013 #29
I have about 100 hours in a C172 and have tried flying commercial jets on flight sim and..... yourout Oct 2013 #30
Very, very true nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #31
Good read, thank you. I knew Stapleton well. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #32
Very much worth the read, Trof. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #33
That's a pretty freaking cool story! hatrack Oct 2013 #34
Thanks, trof. enlightenment Oct 2013 #37
What an exccellent post malaise Oct 2013 #38
Pilot Here - Good Read cantbeserious Oct 2013 #39
excellent icarusxat Oct 2013 #41
I really appreciate you sharing this. n/t Wilms Oct 2013 #42
Of course... Aviation Pro Oct 2013 #43
But when all else fails, that pilot better know what to do.. mountain grammy Oct 2013 #49
I had a chance to meet Al Haynes... Aviation Pro Oct 2013 #125
Great story.. printed it for my retired aircraft mechanic husband mountain grammy Oct 2013 #45
fanfuckingtastic pasto76 Oct 2013 #46
One of the best reads in a while here. longship Oct 2013 #47
Best story I've ever read on DU. Thanks for this ! nt steve2470 Oct 2013 #48
I think in my lifetime we might see "drone planes." MADem Oct 2013 #50
Under good conditions Stapleton was a difficult field. HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #51
thanks for that Locrian Oct 2013 #52
K and R panader0 Oct 2013 #53
Great read. n/t louslobbs Oct 2013 #54
Outstanding. westerebus Oct 2013 #56
A subject near and dear to my heart! Thanks, trof! DemoTex Oct 2013 #57
Wow. Great story. And a hell of a lesson in that. K&R n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #58
I loved it. Great read. BlueJazz Oct 2013 #59
Didn't they pay the pilots a decent wage in those days? YBR31 Oct 2013 #60
Wow, what a great story. NealK Oct 2013 #61
awesome alato Oct 2013 #62
hats off to a real professional heaven05 Oct 2013 #63
What my husband, who's a pilot, has told me is that "any landing you can walk away from calimary Oct 2013 #64
Flying a jet liner with needle, ball and airspeed... zeemike Oct 2013 #65
I hope DemoTex sees this. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #66
+1 bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #71
He did. See post #57. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2013 #82
Great story. mn9driver Oct 2013 #69
k+r ...nt TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #70
Taking flight lessons now. riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #72
Get yourself a copy of "Stick and Rudder". by Wolfgang Langewiesche. AdHocSolver Oct 2013 #88
Many thanks! I'm 15 hours in and loving it! nt riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #100
Wow catchnrelease Oct 2013 #73
Heart-Pounding! Great writing - Thanks, trof NBachers Oct 2013 #74
Very cool. blackspade Oct 2013 #75
Excellent. Very nice. Thanks for posting. n/t A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #76
K&R Change has come Oct 2013 #77
I love reading this stuff as I am a pilot and my dad flew with united for 30yrs litlbilly Oct 2013 #78
25 years in Airline bus, I fearlessly flew with Ozark, TWA and United, but no more.... joanbarnes Oct 2013 #79
You flew Ozark? HubertHeaver Oct 2013 #87
That was too cool! Gidney N Cloyd Oct 2013 #80
A nice yarn, but caraher Oct 2013 #81
Nice research and follow up, thanks! Nt Logical Oct 2013 #84
sorry some of my details were wrong, it was in 72 so i forgot a few things, here it is litlbilly Oct 2013 #93
As I recall litlbilly Oct 2013 #95
Always appreciate a good read hueymahl Oct 2013 #107
Well, air travel is safer than ever, so something good is happening. Nt Logical Oct 2013 #83
I am always amazed at how much trust people put in electronics and computer software. AdHocSolver Oct 2013 #85
Great story - kept me locked in to the end Not Sure Oct 2013 #86
K&R! n/t Lugnut Oct 2013 #89
I think we studied this in flight attendant training! flygal Oct 2013 #90
wow. hung on every word. holding my breath. finally ... I could exhale. whew. made it. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2013 #91
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #92
Wonderful post! Thanks! (nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #94
The key to learning well is over-learning. Excellent lesson well told. Thanks. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #98
Definitely worth the read! alcibiades_mystery Oct 2013 #102
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #104
That was a great read, trof! Thank you for sharing. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #105
Great post! ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #108
Thanks.. ewagner Oct 2013 #109
Wonderful story arikara Oct 2013 #110
should computer programmers know how to use punchcards, too? jon10 Oct 2013 #111
not a valid comparison. bvar22 Oct 2013 #114
very valid, there were days when mech altimeters were "gadgets" uponit7771 Oct 2013 #115
That doesn't make any sense. bvar22 Oct 2013 #116
I believe he is saying that even a mechanical altimeter isn't needed to fly a plane whopis01 Oct 2013 #130
"Denver weather was 300 feet with visibility one-half mile in heavy snow" bvar22 Oct 2013 #134
Who is saying you wouldn't? n/t whopis01 Oct 2013 #135
So people didn't fly BEFORE altimeters? Yes, they did... they prolly thought the altimeter was a fan uponit7771 Oct 2013 #137
YES!!!... Brilliant!!! ...You are really "showing your stuff" in THIS thread!!! bvar22 Oct 2013 #140
No one said it was useless just like stick feedback isn't useless today... same thing no? tia uponit7771 Nov 2013 #141
UM...they guy who said pilotage was like computer punch cards bvar22 Nov 2013 #142
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2013 #136
Wrong analogy. Should be "should computer programmers know binary?" Xithras Oct 2013 #122
Indeed they should. onyourleft Oct 2013 #139
This story was so good, even a few lurking Freeps probably liked it! Patiod Oct 2013 #112
K&R SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #118
K&R excellent read passiveporcupine Oct 2013 #117
I loved reading this! I worked for a Denver-based airline for Turn CO Blue Oct 2013 #119
From an old air traffic controller billh58 Oct 2013 #120
K & R fadedrose Oct 2013 #121
I wish my Dad (a career Naval Aviator) was alive to read this. He could describe a "night trap" ... 11 Bravo Oct 2013 #123
As I read through the OP I think about new car commercials - truedelphi Oct 2013 #126
Just WOW! Did this story ever have legs. trof Oct 2013 #127
Very cool cvoogt Oct 2013 #128
Way overstates the role of autopilot! HERVEPA Oct 2013 #129
I made a zero-zero autoland at Heathrow in an L-1011 back in the day. trof Oct 2013 #131
Loved that! Grew up in Denver, flew in and out of Stapleton many times! likesmountains 52 Oct 2013 #132
Fascinating. (n/t) spin Oct 2013 #133
I read this... onyourleft Oct 2013 #138
Professionalism is not outmoded in an age of technology (KnR) Agony Nov 2013 #143
Thanks so much curlyred Nov 2013 #144
thank you KentuckyWoman Nov 2013 #145
The Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 brought me back to this ... SomeGuyInEagan Mar 2014 #146
Wow! Talk about resurected. trof Mar 2014 #147
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