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Behind the Aegis

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51. There were many things that cost that election.

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 01:46 AM

Mar 2012

Nader was just one piece of the puzzle, but for some, it is easier to find a single scapegoat and run with it; for some, it is Nader, others it is the Supreme Court, still others it was Clinton, for a few it was Lieberman, and finally, the rarest one to get blamed, is Al Gore. Gore's campaign was weak. He was semi-popular, but noone really knew anything about him because all the focus was on the Clintons. Hell, I often look back and think; he could have been on fire, literally, and I think many, especially the press, would have overlooked it, they would have been more interested in some oft-fabricated mess one of the Clintons was involved in. I also think there was a general thought, especially among democrats, that Bush would NEVER win and people got lazy. I hope we don't see something similar with this election.

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I cannot believe we are still arguing about Nader [View all] hfojvt Feb 2012 OP

We're still arguing about Nader... Skinner Feb 2012 #1

and some haven't figured out that stealing elections is a crime? nt G_j Feb 2012 #6

+ a zillion emulatorloo Feb 2012 #7

There is no better way to say that. Thank you. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #8

Voting, too. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #9

+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #38

And screw up the country for at least a decade. RiffRandell Mar 2012 #41

And just think if Clinton had not stolen it in 1992 from Nader Snotcicles Mar 2012 #82

Clinton stole the election from Nader in 1992? SunsetDreams Mar 2012 #102

Mention any other third party candidate hifiguy Feb 2012 #2

+1 n/t JTFrog Feb 2012 #4

Abso-fucking-lutely... SidDithers Feb 2012 #5

Tell that to kendrick meek DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #20

I can't speak for everyone that does JonLP24 Feb 2012 #18

I can't believe this guy is still running after all these years liberal N proud Feb 2012 #3

MAybe I've missed the news, but Raine1967 Feb 2012 #10

This guy only shows up at election time liberal N proud Feb 2012 #11

I can't believe that there are people who still feel that he is relevent enough to bring up . . grantcart Feb 2012 #12

Not true. He successfully agitated for a lot of consumer protection laws eridani Mar 2012 #84

Name one important law that he has gotten passed in the last 10 years. grantcart Mar 2012 #91

None, but this is supposed to negate his prior achievements? eridani Mar 2012 #94

a long time ago he was relevent, he no longer is. Quite a shame too, really. grantcart Mar 2012 #95

It's an election year. Expect it. mmonk Feb 2012 #13

I can.. there were lessons learned nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #14

That is it right there! While the narrow-minded blame Nader Rex Mar 2012 #99

people need to be paying attention to all the voter suppression laws noiretextatique Mar 2012 #106

The votes of the left were available in Florida. Gore failed to attract them. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #15

Failed to attract? DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #21

So, if Gore wanted/needed the Green vote why didn't he try for it? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #32

The Green vote DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #35

Would the Democrats have been satisfied with anything less than a complete rejection of everyone not Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #36

Sadly yes DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #37

Maybe it's time we stop being satisfied with the "not as bad" of American politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #39

Maybe, although DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #44

I've been living with that knowledge for a long time. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #45

Because DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #46

Delete Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #48

As I said, it makes no difference as far as my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #50

Why would the party bosses care about the left? BzaDem Mar 2012 #56

The Bush "enablers" are the Democratic politicians who vote with the Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #60

So people who vote for a policy that Bush supports are Bush enablers. But people who enable the BzaDem Mar 2012 #61

As a Florida person DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #74

Except that Ford outselling Chevy does not result in a dangerous moron being elected President. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #30

Some people won't settle for the "lesser of two evils". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #33

You mean....we lose...... FrenchieCat Mar 2012 #62

You just proved the OP's point nt One of the 99 Mar 2012 #53

It isn't Gore's responsibility to "attract" them. That premise is completely upside down. BzaDem Mar 2012 #55

Got it. So, Gore didn't need to campaign at all. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #73

This assumes that they would have voted for Gore JonLP24 Feb 2012 #16

The Democrats that voted for Bush is the one's that Gore went after. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #17

But again, isn't that equally their problem? If a voter makes a decision to enable the inauguration BzaDem Mar 2012 #57

Gore couldn't even win his home state.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #19

If the next Democratic candidate came from Idaho (but was as liberal as Kucinich), would you be BzaDem Mar 2012 #58

And politicians of course bear no responsibility at all for the choices they make.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #64

We're still arguing about Nader because he is convenient scapegoat MadHound Feb 2012 #22

This is the correct answer. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #24

That's just not true One of the 99 Mar 2012 #52

Yes, that is true MadHound Mar 2012 #65

And how would that have changed the results One of the 99 Mar 2012 #66

He told Gore during the recount, when it certainly could have made a difference. MadHound Mar 2012 #68

Again, not true One of the 99 Mar 2012 #72

No legal remedy? MadHound Mar 2012 #86

Really??? One of the 99 Mar 2012 #87

ah, the DLC hfojvt Mar 2012 #54

What, you think that the DLC would lie about this? MadHound Mar 2012 #67

.. mdmc Mar 2012 #23

You made a post that keeps the debate going but that isn't your point, is it? TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #25

If one person determines an election, then do we really have a democracy? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #26

Yes. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #27

I second that emotion. Nader = Egotistical has-been still trying to be viable. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #28

Nader made it possible for Bush to steal the election. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #29

Here's what made it possible for Bush to steal the election.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #31

That's as ignorant and short-sighted as saying it was all Nader's fault. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #49

Did you note where the picture was taken? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #63

Did you notice 8 years elpased? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #69

Eight years in which Republicans wrecked the nation? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #75

Eight years in which the man changed. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #76

No he didn't change, he just revealed who he really was in the first place.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #77

In your "expert" opinion, and yet, he was not the reason for the lost election. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #78

Go tell all those who say it's Nader's fault.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #79

You mean like I did in post #49? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #81

An observation, not an attack.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #83

Ron Paul? Really? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #85

Nader is no longer a factor Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #34

It helps hide the fact that despite knowing that election was stolen, Democrats sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #42

Can you point to one person on this board who claimed that Nader did something illegal, in running BzaDem Mar 2012 #59

Well that is just stupid imo. Rex Mar 2012 #98

The Democratic Party establishment needs to get clued in rudycantfail Mar 2012 #40

Why argue? quaker bill Mar 2012 #43

Not me. Iggo Mar 2012 #47

There were many things that cost that election. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #51

You forgot the FL Dem party quaker bill Mar 2012 #80

You forgot the corporate media, Al Gore wasn't popular at all with them precisely because Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #93

Then why did you start a thread to argue about Nader? Lil Missy Mar 2012 #70

One of the reasons we're still arguing about Nader MineralMan Mar 2012 #71

And thanks for adding to the debate!! WI_DEM Mar 2012 #88

Without a runnoff system, a popular third party liberal candidate can only acomplish one thing Bradical79 Mar 2012 #89

Nader only pops his head out of the hole when the Dems have a good chance at winning thw WH. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #90

You left out something. Gore won the 2000 Election. It was stolen and not by Nader. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #92

Yeah he did. Funny ain't it Rex Mar 2012 #97

That leaves Joe Leiberman, the Supreme Court and Bush off the spot. How convenient! Better Believe It Mar 2012 #100

I JUST learned yesterday that Joe is a or was a big big FAN of Glenn Beck!!! Rex Mar 2012 #101

and there's that little fact noiretextatique Mar 2012 #105

I wasn't sure if this was a pro-nader thread or a nader bashing thread. Rex Mar 2012 #96

Anyone that supports a Nader run this time around is a damned fool. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #103

the bush cabal in florida and SCOTUS deserve ALL the blame for bush noiretextatique Mar 2012 #104