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In reply to the discussion: Just for the record, this is NOT the Confederate Flag: [View all]Uncle Joe
(64,735 posts)40. It's not just whites in the South
There is a video on this link.
http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/224554/81/Black-student-defends-his-Confederate-flag
"I know it's kinda weird because I'm black," Thomas said in a CNN iReport he submitted. "When I look at this flag, I just don't see racism. I see pride, respect. Southern pride, that's what I see."
(snip)
Thomas: It is very important that I be allowed to exercise my freedom of free speech. I'm one of the nicest people, but today, you can't say anything without people getting offended or hurt by what you are saying. I felt very offended when I was asked to take down that flag because [the housing department] said it violated the racist code. It's a freedom thing to me.
The generation before us told us that the flag is racist. It's not going anywhere. No one is going to burn all of the flags. If me or someone else can show my generation that it means something different maybe it won't divide us. I haven't experienced racism myself but it still exists. Maybe if we start now with this flag, racism can continue to get smaller.
(snip)
Some black students came to me and have said I have changed their viewpoint on the Confederate flag and that I helped change them. They have said [like me] they also don't want to be called African-American anymore. They, too, feel like they want to be American, not African-America, because it's like a second category and they were born in America not Africa. So other people have come up to me, not just my roommates.
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I take an opposing point of view, the flag which flew over the Confederate Military represents
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#4
We did discuss it and this link which I posted during that exchange was part of it
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#8
You say the U.S. Flag is no comparison, tell that to the Native Americans using your definition
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#23
Then I take it we should get rid of the U.S. Flag as well and no doubt give their land
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#26
You never answered my question nor explained why that's a false equivalency by your own definition
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#35
Did the U.S. commit genocide and take the vast majority of the Continental United States
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#43
I have no doubt what the response would be, it would be as you believe, however I see that young
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#52
I hate it that RainDog and I disagree on this, she is one of my favorite posters, and I acknowledge
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#45
I think you are right, FourScore. The flags should no longer be flown because they no longer
Tuesday Afternoon
Oct 2013
#55
Robert E. Lee was only a step behind Lincoln in his view of slavery and race. n/t
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#46
Lee wasn't President and it wasn't just slaves that fought in the war that Lee freed.
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#108
That's not the point, the point is what did Lee have control over, he wasn't President. n/t
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#112
Lee was a man of many conflicts just as Lincoln, he knew slavery was evil even in 1856
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#120
Yes he did but it was more politically and strategically expedient for Lincoln to do so and even
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#123
Perhaps and I believe they are withering on the vine but Lee is known for many things aside from
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#125
Two points, The Waffen SS was fighting for a dictatorship, the Confederacy was democratically
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#34
Both flags "symbolize" something regardless of origin, racist defend flying of both
uponit7771
Oct 2013
#101
If you believe the United States has lily white hands if you just removed the Confederacy, then
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#61
Of course the United States is almost exclusively a history of injustices and genocide.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#64
Well since I'm a liberal and a strong believer in the 1st Amendment, they pretty much have the right
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#105
As has hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans in our multitude of wars.
Uncle Joe
Oct 2013
#60