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44. The present use of the rectangular version of the battle flag...

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:22 AM

Oct 2013

...(the actual battle flag was usually square) probably dates from the CSA centennial in 1961. That coincided with the growing civil rights movement and the reaction to it.

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Just for the record, this is NOT the Confederate Flag: [View all] Stinky The Clown Oct 2013 OP

They're either celebrating the Civil War Pab Sungenis Oct 2013 #1

Probably both gopiscrap Oct 2013 #2

So we should refer to it as the "Confederate Battle Flag"? SharonAnn Oct 2013 #117

Or...they just support White Supremacy. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #3

I've wondered the same thing... n/t ReRe Oct 2013 #81

I take an opposing point of view, the flag which flew over the Confederate Military represents Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #4

But it celebrates a shameful legacy RainDog Oct 2013 #6

We did discuss it and this link which I posted during that exchange was part of it Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #8

Yes. But that no longer matters RainDog Oct 2013 #11

In the big scheme of things, this is what symbols mean. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #13

You can't compare the two flags RainDog Oct 2013 #14

That's the Confederacy's sole purpose because it lost, was frozen in time Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #17

Yes. Unite RainDog Oct 2013 #19

You say the U.S. Flag is no comparison, tell that to the Native Americans using your definition Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #23

We should definitely acknowledge that genocide RainDog Oct 2013 #25

Then I take it we should get rid of the U.S. Flag as well and no doubt give their land Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #26

LOL RainDog Oct 2013 #28

You never answered my question nor explained why that's a false equivalency by your own definition Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #35

The entire existence of the U.S. RainDog Oct 2013 #38

Did the U.S. commit genocide and take the vast majority of the Continental United States Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #43

You simply refuse to acknowledge what is history RainDog Oct 2013 #47

It's not just whites in the South Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #40

take a poll about that RainDog Oct 2013 #49

I have no doubt what the response would be, it would be as you believe, however I see that young Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #52

Why would anyone want to honor the death of someone who died pnwmom Oct 2013 #18

Why would anyone want to honor the death of someone that wiped out Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #20

I'm a Southerner and Uncle Joe is right. But so is RainDog. FourScore Oct 2013 #39

I hate it that RainDog and I disagree on this, she is one of my favorite posters, and I acknowledge Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #45

I think you are right, FourScore. The flags should no longer be flown because they no longer Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2013 #55

The schools are named after the Generals, and they were fighting for slavery. pnwmom Oct 2013 #41

Robert E. Lee was only a step behind Lincoln in his view of slavery and race. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #46

More like a mile. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #63

This was Lee's view regarding race and slavery. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #69

So, as the South began to lose the war, he thought letting the slaves pnwmom Oct 2013 #82

"Before and during the war" Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #103

The "evidence cited in favor of the claim" -- it is only a claim. pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

Lee wasn't President and it wasn't just slaves that fought in the war that Lee freed. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #108

And how many slaves did Custis have? n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #111

That's not the point, the point is what did Lee have control over, he wasn't President. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #112

If the South had won the war he could have ended up with the job. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #113

I agree. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #115

I just found something else that lends a different perspective pnwmom Oct 2013 #116

Lee was a man of many conflicts just as Lincoln, he knew slavery was evil even in 1856 Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #120

Not "just as Lincoln." Lincoln worked to free the slaves; Lee led a rebellion pnwmom Oct 2013 #122

Yes he did but it was more politically and strategically expedient for Lincoln to do so and even Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #123

But we shouldn't be naming schools after Lee on the basis that pnwmom Oct 2013 #124

Perhaps and I believe they are withering on the vine but Lee is known for many things aside from Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #125

Are you aware that after the war, Lee opposed giving pnwmom Oct 2013 #129

Are you aware, that's not too far removed from what Lincoln thought? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #130

Well, I'm sure the Waffen SS had some lads who sacrificed geek tragedy Oct 2013 #29

exactly RainDog Oct 2013 #32

Two points, The Waffen SS was fighting for a dictatorship, the Confederacy was democratically Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #34

For the purpose of enslaving people RainDog Oct 2013 #36

I don't defend the Confederate Flag, I defend unity of the American People. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #48

such bullshit. RainDog Oct 2013 #51

It's true whether you wish to believe it or not. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #54

so you support flying the swastika, too RainDog Oct 2013 #56

We're not part of Germany, we're the United States of America. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #57

The confederate flag is a signifier RainDog Oct 2013 #70

I agree symbols are signifiers Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #72

yes. many whites have been racist RainDog Oct 2013 #73

The only point of that pic was to show how symbols can be used or misused. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #80

The point of the pic was to dismiss the issue of one particular flag RainDog Oct 2013 #132

In one breath you claim not to care much about flags, but obviously you do. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #133

no. you are lying about what I said RainDog Oct 2013 #135

This is what you said. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #136

Both flags "symbolize" something regardless of origin, racist defend flying of both uponit7771 Oct 2013 #101

I agree, uponit. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #109

Symbolic power is transcendental. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #59

If you believe the United States has lily white hands if you just removed the Confederacy, then Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #61

Of course the United States is almost exclusively a history of injustices and genocide. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #64

It sounds to me like we're in agreement. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #66

Or fly it... or display it... or celebrate it. LanternWaste Oct 2013 #84

Well since I'm a liberal and a strong believer in the 1st Amendment, they pretty much have the right Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #105

Well, the Nazis were also too civilized to own slaves. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #37

The Nazis did own slaves they worked them to death in concentration camps. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #50

Thank you geek JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #74

+1 uponit7771 Oct 2013 #99

the whole SS thing is confused by many people johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #118

Those 300K died fighting for the wrong side. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #58

As has hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans in our multitude of wars. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #60

Many Americans have died fighting on the wrong side... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #62

I totally agree, Gravitycollapse. n/t Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #65

I think you're dealing in Neo-Confederate propaganda on this thread. Paladin Oct 2013 #86

I'm dealing in history, are you suggesting the U.S. has always been on right side of its' many wars? Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #104

How did they know? johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #119

Well I see the second one almost everyday kydo Oct 2013 #5

"celebrating only the Civil War, not some cultural heritage of the Confederacy" arcane1 Oct 2013 #7

Those and that yellow Garden flag have become a symbol of hatred. Hoyt Oct 2013 #9

I fail to see what there is to celebrate about the Civil War. dflprincess Oct 2013 #10

If it was truly about celebrating southern heritage and pride LostOne4Ever Oct 2013 #12

Meh. Adam-Bomb Oct 2013 #15

tell that to Jews who see a swastika RainDog Oct 2013 #21

I'm Southern, too, and the flag does have meaning Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #22

Tell that to your average African American. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #31

+1 JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #75

It's threatening JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #77

I agree Marrah_G Oct 2013 #96

wow... "who cares about folks flying that flag".. freakin wow uponit7771 Oct 2013 #100

They all represent the enemies of America, and celebrate racism. baldguy Oct 2013 #16

Graphically speaking, the battle flag is quite well done. 1000words Oct 2013 #24

An interesting topic, the graphic qualities of flags... Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #33

They are all the flag of treason, slavery, and white geek tragedy Oct 2013 #27

They're just displaying their racism. That's all it's about. kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #30

I like to call it the Brainless Banner struggle4progress Oct 2013 #42

The present use of the rectangular version of the battle flag... Deep13 Oct 2013 #44

It's not the flag, it's the SYMBOLISM and you know it. LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #53

Mississippi state flag WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2013 #67

Eh? JustAnotherGen Oct 2013 #79

And neo-Nazi's tend fly the Confederate flags. joshcryer Oct 2013 #68

Well, one thing's for sure.............. thelordofhell Oct 2013 #71

generations hvae passed and people are still arguing Niceguy1 Oct 2013 #76

I am not touchy about flags, and consider it a freedom of speech issue quinnox Oct 2013 #78

+1 Go Vols Oct 2013 #121

Close enough. n/t eShirl Oct 2013 #83

My thoughts exactly. Iggo Oct 2013 #85

"Celebrating the Civil War" annabanana Oct 2013 #87

look at these comments d_r Oct 2013 #88

The only one that mattered. JNelson6563 Oct 2013 #89

Beat me to it! SeattleVet Oct 2013 #126

Flying any of those flags at all is a dick thing to do. Aristus Oct 2013 #90

I don't fly my Confederate flag but I still have a very old one. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #91

I have an old pic of my Dad from when he was about 20 or so. Aristus Oct 2013 #92

The one I have is the Confederate Battle Flag. In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #95

I wonder what would happen if... mockmonkey Oct 2013 #93

And its not the Stars and Bars either. aikoaiko Oct 2013 #94

It may not be the Confederate flag, but it is the Confederate swastika. bermudat Oct 2013 #97

It's the adopted flag of racists... Iggo Oct 2013 #98

+1, period.... end of story uponit7771 Oct 2013 #102

seems to me johnnyrak88 Oct 2013 #106

My favorite story of the Confederate Battle flag - hedgehog Oct 2013 #110

Yawn. Filing in the "Useless Discussions" Folder yellowcanine Oct 2013 #114

Does it really matter? AFAIC, the only use for ALL those flags. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #127

WRONG, sir, you are WRONG. THIS is the confederate flag: xfundy Oct 2013 #128

Because it's hard walking around with a burning cross. RagAss Oct 2013 #131

No matter what, they are all loser flags! B Calm Oct 2013 #134