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BzaDem

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56. Why would the party bosses care about the left?

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 02:13 AM

Mar 2012

When a group on the left makes it clear that they take irrational actions in the voting booth, that just moves the median relevant voter to the right. After all, Kerry moved to the right and supported the war. Yet Nader lost 90% of his voters from 2000.

Ultimately, life worked out fine for Kerry and Gore. However, it probably did not quite work out so well for the voters that enabled Bush's inauguration. (That is precisely why Nader's vote share collapsed. A child won't touch a hot stove twice. They learn that actions have consequences.) And it certainly did not work out so well for those who would be alive today, had Nader voters had their "come to reality" moment in 2000 rather than 2004. Many largely had nothing to do with Bush enablers, yet they lost their lives because a bunch of people on the left didn't understand the concept of a zero sum system.

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I cannot believe we are still arguing about Nader [View all] hfojvt Feb 2012 OP

We're still arguing about Nader... Skinner Feb 2012 #1

and some haven't figured out that stealing elections is a crime? nt G_j Feb 2012 #6

+ a zillion emulatorloo Feb 2012 #7

There is no better way to say that. Thank you. nt TheWraith Feb 2012 #8

Voting, too. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #9

+1 n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #38

And screw up the country for at least a decade. RiffRandell Mar 2012 #41

And just think if Clinton had not stolen it in 1992 from Nader Snotcicles Mar 2012 #82

Clinton stole the election from Nader in 1992? SunsetDreams Mar 2012 #102

Mention any other third party candidate hifiguy Feb 2012 #2

+1 n/t JTFrog Feb 2012 #4

Abso-fucking-lutely... SidDithers Feb 2012 #5

Tell that to kendrick meek DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #20

I can't speak for everyone that does JonLP24 Feb 2012 #18

I can't believe this guy is still running after all these years liberal N proud Feb 2012 #3

MAybe I've missed the news, but Raine1967 Feb 2012 #10

This guy only shows up at election time liberal N proud Feb 2012 #11

I can't believe that there are people who still feel that he is relevent enough to bring up . . grantcart Feb 2012 #12

Not true. He successfully agitated for a lot of consumer protection laws eridani Mar 2012 #84

Name one important law that he has gotten passed in the last 10 years. grantcart Mar 2012 #91

None, but this is supposed to negate his prior achievements? eridani Mar 2012 #94

a long time ago he was relevent, he no longer is. Quite a shame too, really. grantcart Mar 2012 #95

It's an election year. Expect it. mmonk Feb 2012 #13

I can.. there were lessons learned nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #14

That is it right there! While the narrow-minded blame Nader Rex Mar 2012 #99

people need to be paying attention to all the voter suppression laws noiretextatique Mar 2012 #106

The votes of the left were available in Florida. Gore failed to attract them. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #15

Failed to attract? DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #21

So, if Gore wanted/needed the Green vote why didn't he try for it? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #32

The Green vote DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #35

Would the Democrats have been satisfied with anything less than a complete rejection of everyone not Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #36

Sadly yes DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #37

Maybe it's time we stop being satisfied with the "not as bad" of American politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #39

Maybe, although DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #44

I've been living with that knowledge for a long time. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #45

Because DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #46

Delete Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #48

As I said, it makes no difference as far as my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #50

Why would the party bosses care about the left? BzaDem Mar 2012 #56

The Bush "enablers" are the Democratic politicians who vote with the Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #60

So people who vote for a policy that Bush supports are Bush enablers. But people who enable the BzaDem Mar 2012 #61

As a Florida person DonCoquixote Mar 2012 #74

Except that Ford outselling Chevy does not result in a dangerous moron being elected President. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #30

Some people won't settle for the "lesser of two evils". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #33

You mean....we lose...... FrenchieCat Mar 2012 #62

You just proved the OP's point nt One of the 99 Mar 2012 #53

It isn't Gore's responsibility to "attract" them. That premise is completely upside down. BzaDem Mar 2012 #55

Got it. So, Gore didn't need to campaign at all. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2012 #73

This assumes that they would have voted for Gore JonLP24 Feb 2012 #16

The Democrats that voted for Bush is the one's that Gore went after. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #17

But again, isn't that equally their problem? If a voter makes a decision to enable the inauguration BzaDem Mar 2012 #57

Gore couldn't even win his home state.. Fumesucker Feb 2012 #19

If the next Democratic candidate came from Idaho (but was as liberal as Kucinich), would you be BzaDem Mar 2012 #58

And politicians of course bear no responsibility at all for the choices they make.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #64

We're still arguing about Nader because he is convenient scapegoat MadHound Feb 2012 #22

This is the correct answer. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #24

That's just not true One of the 99 Mar 2012 #52

Yes, that is true MadHound Mar 2012 #65

And how would that have changed the results One of the 99 Mar 2012 #66

He told Gore during the recount, when it certainly could have made a difference. MadHound Mar 2012 #68

Again, not true One of the 99 Mar 2012 #72

No legal remedy? MadHound Mar 2012 #86

Really??? One of the 99 Mar 2012 #87

ah, the DLC hfojvt Mar 2012 #54

What, you think that the DLC would lie about this? MadHound Mar 2012 #67

.. mdmc Mar 2012 #23

You made a post that keeps the debate going but that isn't your point, is it? TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #25

If one person determines an election, then do we really have a democracy? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #26

Yes. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #27

I second that emotion. Nader = Egotistical has-been still trying to be viable. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #28

Nader made it possible for Bush to steal the election. Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #29

Here's what made it possible for Bush to steal the election.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #31

That's as ignorant and short-sighted as saying it was all Nader's fault. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #49

Did you note where the picture was taken? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #63

Did you notice 8 years elpased? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #69

Eight years in which Republicans wrecked the nation? Fumesucker Mar 2012 #75

Eight years in which the man changed. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #76

No he didn't change, he just revealed who he really was in the first place.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #77

In your "expert" opinion, and yet, he was not the reason for the lost election. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #78

Go tell all those who say it's Nader's fault.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #79

You mean like I did in post #49? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #81

An observation, not an attack.. Fumesucker Mar 2012 #83

Ron Paul? Really? Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #85

Nader is no longer a factor Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #34

It helps hide the fact that despite knowing that election was stolen, Democrats sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #42

Can you point to one person on this board who claimed that Nader did something illegal, in running BzaDem Mar 2012 #59

Well that is just stupid imo. Rex Mar 2012 #98

The Democratic Party establishment needs to get clued in rudycantfail Mar 2012 #40

Why argue? quaker bill Mar 2012 #43

Not me. Iggo Mar 2012 #47

There were many things that cost that election. Behind the Aegis Mar 2012 #51

You forgot the FL Dem party quaker bill Mar 2012 #80

You forgot the corporate media, Al Gore wasn't popular at all with them precisely because Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #93

Then why did you start a thread to argue about Nader? Lil Missy Mar 2012 #70

One of the reasons we're still arguing about Nader MineralMan Mar 2012 #71

And thanks for adding to the debate!! WI_DEM Mar 2012 #88

Without a runnoff system, a popular third party liberal candidate can only acomplish one thing Bradical79 Mar 2012 #89

Nader only pops his head out of the hole when the Dems have a good chance at winning thw WH. JoePhilly Mar 2012 #90

You left out something. Gore won the 2000 Election. It was stolen and not by Nader. Better Believe It Mar 2012 #92

Yeah he did. Funny ain't it Rex Mar 2012 #97

That leaves Joe Leiberman, the Supreme Court and Bush off the spot. How convenient! Better Believe It Mar 2012 #100

I JUST learned yesterday that Joe is a or was a big big FAN of Glenn Beck!!! Rex Mar 2012 #101

and there's that little fact noiretextatique Mar 2012 #105

I wasn't sure if this was a pro-nader thread or a nader bashing thread. Rex Mar 2012 #96

Anyone that supports a Nader run this time around is a damned fool. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #103

the bush cabal in florida and SCOTUS deserve ALL the blame for bush noiretextatique Mar 2012 #104