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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
16. A good idea, but for the math.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 11:03 AM
Oct 2013

How does single payer instantly reduce 17.9% of GDP to 8.5%? Further, how do you spread that 8.5% of SS taxable wages (call it 4-5% of gdp) among the people who don't work? At worst, 15% or so of that 17.9% is spent on actual care after subtracting the inefficiency of insurance.

In this country there are roughly as many people in the workforce as out. Unlike Social Security whose revenues only need to pay for retirees and the disabled, the health care tax receipts would have to cover the above PLUS those kids and those who don't have jobs.

Second, the system you describe is regressive. If you make $220,000 per year, you are only half as financially responsible (as a percentage of your income) for the care of those who don't work.

Single payer healthcare should be paid for via regular income taxes, and because it would require doubling income taxes, it'll give widespread sticker shock.

Hopefully the ACA will suppress the inflation rate enough that the transition to single payer will be less painful.

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That would make too much sense, plus it would make our labor force competitive again Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #1
Healthcare is mostly labor cost, so cutting half off costs would cut employment by about 8% FarCenter Oct 2013 #11
cool theory, bro Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #14
About 8.9% of employees are directly involved in care. FarCenter Oct 2013 #15
So according to your theory 8 of that 8.9% of the workforce got fired Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #17
The insurance, pharma, medical device, clerical and admin staff, etc. are above the 8.9% FarCenter Oct 2013 #19
The healthcare needs are still there? kentuck Oct 2013 #20
Healthcare needs are not directly related to cost FarCenter Oct 2013 #24
And what does that have to do with more people unemployed? kentuck Oct 2013 #26
It's not cutting them by half. Half would be from employee, other half from employer CreekDog Oct 2013 #27
Commie! leftstreet Oct 2013 #2
That part is not a bad idea. But, wringing the profit out of drugs, providers, device Hoyt Oct 2013 #3
Would it be different than it is today?? kentuck Oct 2013 #4
If you want to save costs, it has to be done. Sure it's no different than Hoyt Oct 2013 #5
A badass single payer with infinite leverage might just have an edge there NoOneMan Oct 2013 #6
You'd think. But Medicare has only been marginally effective in doing that. Hoyt Oct 2013 #7
Providers in America are not dealing with just a single payer NoOneMan Oct 2013 #8
Medicare is a big payer, and costs per beneficiary go up every year. Hoyt Oct 2013 #9
America pays about double what every other country pays for healthcare. kentuck Oct 2013 #10
8.5% of paychecks won't support the 50 million with no paychecks maced666 Oct 2013 #12
Simply not correct davekriss Oct 2013 #13
A good idea, but for the math. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #16
Oddly enough the math works just fine in every other advanced industrialized democracy. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #18
"The math" does, but *this* math doesn't. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #21
What difference would it make?? kentuck Oct 2013 #22
How much should Bill Gates pay toward single payer healthcare? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #23
I think your plan is flawed. kentuck Oct 2013 #25
Healthcare currently costs 18% *of GDP*. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #28
One thousand millions in a billion dollars. kentuck Oct 2013 #29
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