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stevenleser

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17. The fact that more are doing it for the same stated reason completely undercuts that suggestion

Reply to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:22 PM

Oct 2013

you can't make it about the US and the "Military Industrial Complex" that we supposedly have if far more progressive Democracies in Western Europe are doing the same things for the same reasons.

Continuing to try to assert that simply does not make sense.

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Revealed: NSA pushed 9/11 as key 'sound bite' to justify surveillance (holy crap!) [View all] nashville_brook Oct 2013 OP

In other news, water us still wet nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #1

shows how disingenuous the whole lot is. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #2

We already knew that. randome Oct 2013 #7

in this case we've got investigative journos with spine who're nashville_brook Oct 2013 #9

Hey, werent you one of those that screamed that the NSA wasnt spying on anyone? rhett o rick Oct 2013 #70

The NSA's job is to monitor foreign communications. randome Oct 2013 #80

Some here tried their hardest to shut down discussion about the NSA rhett o rick Oct 2013 #81

I just see the entire thing as a waste of everyone's time. randome Oct 2013 #82

I think it is extremely important. Via spying the NSA, FBI, and CIA rhett o rick Oct 2013 #83

Who is controlling our government? randome Oct 2013 #84

It's a great question, "Who is controlling our government?" rhett o rick Oct 2013 #86

+1,000 malaise Oct 2013 #56

We are chums, and those in power count on it. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #58

So they admit using 9/11 to push their agenda... NightWatcher Oct 2013 #3

yoink. also, they're touting 9/11 as if they had success with stopping it. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #6

Sure 3000+ people died. EOTE Oct 2013 #14

Our civil liberties don't apply to Germany. randome Oct 2013 #15

Uh, I'm not talking about Germany. EOTE Oct 2013 #16

+1 nashville_brook Oct 2013 #74

Yep BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #45

Actually, it just made me want pancakes from giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #52

Ding! Ding! Ding! +1,000,000. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #69

Not just the NSA. The BND, DGSE and SIS(MI6) use the various global terror attacks to justify stevenleser Oct 2013 #4

we've seen it in action -- yesterday in the intel hearing for instance, nashville_brook Oct 2013 #8

Well, knowing that most western intelligence agencies say this is why they do it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #10

hacking Angela Merkel's cell phone...this is what this talking point is used on nashville_brook Oct 2013 #11

I still don't get this. randome Oct 2013 #12

How about, "Our credibility as a good-faith actor DirkGently Oct 2013 #46

I'm surprised that our credibility with other spying nations is anything to get worked up about. randome Oct 2013 #51

Our allies seem less convinced it's just what "spying nations" do. DirkGently Oct 2013 #59

Yes. We would. randome Oct 2013 #78

A bold assertion. DirkGently Oct 2013 #87

So you draw the line at spying when it involves someone's cell phone. randome Oct 2013 #88

No -- Merkle's cell is just a prime example of NSA defender hypocrisy. DirkGently Oct 2013 #89

There are more than "two choices". ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #13

The fact that more are doing it for the same stated reason completely undercuts that suggestion stevenleser Oct 2013 #17

We don't know that they're doing the "same thing". ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #19

Their intel agencies supply much of the EU data the NSA gets. stevenleser Oct 2013 #23

So in your world intelligence agency abuses only began after 9/11? villager Oct 2013 #28

Did you only just discover that spying agencies exist that spy? nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #35

Did you only just discover that spying agencies exist that violate civil rights? villager Oct 2013 #67

How Science Is Telling Us All To Revolt... dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #36

As an American I think singling out American agencies make perfect sense. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #48

Exactly. (To all your points.) I find the rationalizations disturbing. deurbano Oct 2013 #53

They also can't answer why, if everyone does it and it's no big deal, why we slam spies Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #55

DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #5

and everyone knows who did 9-11--Syria! MisterP Oct 2013 #18

A large oil field was recently discovered in Libya. Maybe Libya was responsible for 9/11. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #47

They spy on Merkel not to thwart another 9-11, but for economic reasons Jamiletto Oct 2013 #20

They are facile liars. They are corporate fascists. woo me with science Oct 2013 #21

+1 Exactly KoKo Oct 2013 #32

i think this is my bottom line, too. want to target terrorists, fine. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #41

Facile is right. How lame & transparent to run to the 9/11 well. DirkGently Oct 2013 #57

the boy who cried wolf jon10 Oct 2013 #22

9-11 has been oh so convenient, with junior and Laura having had a great 2001, the MIC indepat Oct 2013 #24

So how much were they paying Ghouliani ? bahrbearian Oct 2013 #25

K&R Blue Owl Oct 2013 #26

A noun, a verb, and 9/11. DirkGently Oct 2013 #27

Using trumped-up terror to dismantle our Constitution. woo me with science Oct 2013 #29

Remember "Message force multipliers"? Trillo Oct 2013 #30

The cynical use of that tragedy is despicable. I'm sure they used the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #31

Rudy Giuliani, NSA Minister of Propaganda. bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #33

"bin Laden determined to strike in US" -- we had the intel KurtNYC Oct 2013 #34

+1 nashville_brook Oct 2013 #39

... and CIA had profit motive for sitting on the information. Festivito Oct 2013 #50

War in Iraq was where the money was. DirkGently Oct 2013 #61

Fear is what is always used. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #37

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38

THIS is what they meant when the PNAC crowd said 9/11 'changed everything' Rex Oct 2013 #40

And probably what Colin Powell really meant when he said, "If you break it, you own it." AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #49

"another Pearl Harbor" to justify anything. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #64

FEAR -is- the enemy of liberty. Pls, see writings of B. Franklin HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #42

How come.... arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #43

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #44

As if... sendero Oct 2013 #54

precisely. it's not like we're not noticing this. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #75

holy crap warrprayer Oct 2013 #60

K&R n/t Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2013 #62

Not sure why this is any surprise. Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #63

things can be unsurprising and useful at the same time nashville_brook Oct 2013 #65

As per your subject line and first paragraph Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #66

was rushing to dinner nashville_brook Oct 2013 #68

We don't know the truth about NSA and 9/11 noise Oct 2013 #71

perfect example of the disconnect. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #73

NSA is power mad. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #72

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #76

fucking assholes, 9/11 was the ticket to pull all sorts of shit on folks gopiscrap Oct 2013 #77

How very Bushian LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #79

No.......really. Historic NY Oct 2013 #85