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MADem

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55. Let's go to that link where that foolish flag was raised, shall we?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:45 PM
Oct 2013

It was here that the language was cherry picked to make it appear that BS running was an actual possibility, and not a distant, faint chance:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023933909

The thread headline (replete with dot-dot-dots) read:

"Bernie Sanders talks about...the possibility of a presidential run...."


Of course, if you click on the link, Bernie wasn't "talking about" that at all. He was talking about OTHER stuff, and was, briefly, ASKED the question all Senators get in a non-incumbent election cycle.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/15784/social_democracy_in_the_south/

Here's the ACTUAL headline, without the dots and the allusions:

Social Democracy in the South
Bernie Sanders talks about economic justice—and the possibility of a presidential run—on a three-day road trip.


Oh, so now it's not "a Presidential run" but the "possibility" of one.

So would that be a strong possibility, or a weak one?

Let's go to the text!!!

Sixteen--yes, SIXTEEN paragraphs in, we come to this sub-head, consisting of three brief paragraphs and a declarative sentence:


Presidential ambitions or lefty pipe dream?

One couldn’t help but notice the vaguely presidential tinge of the whole affair—the wide-reaching stump speeches delivered in unfamiliar territory coupled with the fact that Sanders was greeted with a rock star reception that few other senators are capable of generating—let alone in the immediate aftermath of a government shutdown that left an already deeply unpopular Congress with its lowest approval ratings in the history of polling.

I asked the Senator if he was contemplating a presidential run in 2016. Some left-wing Democrats urged him to challenge Obama in the primary last election, and there’s once again talk of him mounting a campaign—like last time, all of it speculative. He says he doesn’t want to.

“I suppose if you’re running for president, probably going to Mississippi and Alabama is not the place most candidates would go. You go to Iowa and New Hampshire or something like that,” Sanders says with a laugh. “But what I do think is there needs to be a progressive voice in the presidential process. I hope very much there will be a voice coming up to do that.”

But when pressed to say if he’s completely decided against running, he acknowledges he hasn’t. “I haven’t ruled it out.


No sitting Senator--and even former ones--ever "rule it out." They believe in their hearts that they, with their long terms and their positions in the upper chamber, are the cream of the crop, the chosen few, and the best pile of presidential timber in town. They have more gravitas than those in the rambunctious House, they serve in the "cooling saucer" where laws are dissected and made to -- ostensibly -- be 'all that they can be.'

But if his pointing out that he's playing Wrong Way Horrigan by going to the deep south as a Presidential Feeler Patrol isn't evidence enough, and "He says he doesn't want to" also isn't clear enough for some folks, well, I guess there's no convincing the "Pipe Dream" (to quote the article) crowd.



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Yes, hell yes. Autumn Oct 2013 #1
It's easy enough to say that I would since I think it's not likely el_bryanto Oct 2013 #2
Were he the Democratic nominee, unhesitatingly Recursion Oct 2013 #3
the question I am asking people is - if he was seeking the Democratic nomination would you support Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #6
Oh, sorry, I totally misunderstood your question Recursion Oct 2013 #7
Why, would he be a different person if he changed the letter after his name? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #26
He wouldn't be a different person Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #74
Good point. That is where my vote stands. joshcryer Oct 2013 #67
Yes, I would support Bernie - volunteer and contribute money too, but... polichick Oct 2013 #4
I selected pass NuclearDem Oct 2013 #5
Now that's great. I would join right in, and my knees are Autumn Oct 2013 #8
Ha! That's what I would do if he won. polichick Oct 2013 #9
I could see him run against Hillary as Biden ran against Obama -- then being chosen as her VP. ancianita Oct 2013 #10
Absolutely. Sanders is what a standard Democrat should be. PeteSelman Oct 2013 #11
So true - and sad for all of us. polichick Oct 2013 #12
1000% true, that - on every level. Thanks. closeupready Oct 2013 #70
And in reality he isn't fringe at all. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #76
I would prefer Hillary Clinton (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #13
Curious as to why... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #17
Mostly her vast experience in both foreign and domestic policy. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #22
thanks. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #24
Even though, on foreign policy, she's an unquestioning supporter of the right-wing status quo? Ken Burch Oct 2013 #29
Scoop Jackson in a pantsuit is not a pretty mental image. n/t Chan790 Oct 2013 #35
Bourbon can help, my friend. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #41
But not enough, unfortunately.......nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #77
Well, Bernie Sanders voted in favor of confirming her as Secretary of State. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #38
I'm thinking Bernie believes that the president should get most of his appointees confirmed. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #40
I vote with Nye - Hillary! OmahaBlueDog Oct 2013 #51
I only vote for Democrats. nt onehandle Oct 2013 #14
The OP was talking about Bernie running in the Dem primaries...at least that was my understanding. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #42
No. He is too old (72) and he will not win. I will vote for the Democrat, always. MADem Oct 2013 #15
he could conceivably take the approach that his campaign - win or lose could possibly alter Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #46
Yes--his candidacy would alter the paradigm, and throw the election to Chris Christie, MADem Oct 2013 #48
My OP asks if Sen. Sanders agreed to seek the Democratic Party nomination - would people support Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #52
That will NEVER happen because the DNC would not give it to him. He is not a Democrat. MADem Oct 2013 #53
I only know that he said that he has not ruled it out. I don't know if he would seriously Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #54
Let's go to that link where that foolish flag was raised, shall we? MADem Oct 2013 #55
maybe it is a leftwing pipe dream - or maybe it is possible that he recognizes that no one else is Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #56
He's more pragmatic. Age does bring wisdom, and he is a septuagenarian. MADem Oct 2013 #58
you are probably right... but I cannot help but ask myself ..how long will we have to wait for Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #59
We'll wait a long time, I suspect. The best hope is gains by steady inches, not by leaps and MADem Oct 2013 #61
Go Bernie! Bernie / Warren 2016! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #16
What a great combo! Too good to be true? Probably, but it sure... polichick Oct 2013 #19
I would go to WORK to get them elected... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #20
If that was our ticket I'd give up sex to work on the campaign instead! Scuba Oct 2013 #37
Heh-heh! nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #44
+100000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #73
Oh dangerous poll nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #18
I think it's unlikely Sanders would shift from independent to democrat HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #21
He'd be another Nader treestar Oct 2013 #23
The OP specified it was about Bernie running as a Dem, not third-party. Ken Burch Oct 2013 #30
I would support him even if he ran as an independent or as a demsocialist, morningfog Oct 2013 #25
Why not ask me if I would vote for Mr Magoo in 2020? rock Oct 2013 #27
for those of us bent on ending Hillary before she can declare... Chan790 Oct 2013 #36
I am a Democrat.. and I do not apologize for it Peacetrain Oct 2013 #28
the question I am asking people is - if Sen. Sanders were to seek the Democratic Party nomination - Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #47
I'm voting for Joe krawhitham Oct 2013 #31
Absolutely YES!!! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #32
He's not a Democrat. n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #33
Unless Liz Warren is running n/t hootinholler Oct 2013 #34
Absolutely TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #39
Depends on who else is running quinnox Oct 2013 #43
Currently 79% for Sanders to run for President. Wilms Oct 2013 #45
If he ran I would do almost anything to help as long as he's the top of the ticket. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #49
He'll get my vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #50
He would be a great addition for the debates, but couldn't win. I hope he runs simply to grantcart Oct 2013 #57
I would support Sanders only until he loses the nomination.. fadedrose Oct 2013 #60
Running Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee beaglelover Oct 2013 #62
Bernie would get my vote (nt) bigwillq Oct 2013 #63
I would leave the country, because it would mean a GOP President scheming daemons Oct 2013 #64
I think Bernie Sanders' economic message resonates with almost everybody except the rich. I doubt Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #65
bread and butter issues. That is what the people are hungry to hear from our leaders. A liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #75
Bernie! AzDar Oct 2013 #66
well 83% of DU would support Bernie in the primaries - I hope he sees this Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #68
You mean a guy who will represent the 99% instead of the 1% (like HRC)? Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #69
The Hillary blitzkrieg yesterday is making me hope more and more that Bernie will run. marmar Oct 2013 #71
I'd crawl through broken glass to see him elected. woo me with science Oct 2013 #72
Only one problem with Bernie, he would not run as a democrat B Calm Nov 2013 #78
nationwide as any kind of third party - his chances would be no more than 0% Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #80
why support a candidate that would give the presidency to the republicans...same nader beachbum bob Nov 2013 #79
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