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Glassunion

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68. I'll repeat myself.

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:50 PM

Oct 2013

It was not made illegal until AFTER the civil war. Do yourself a favor and look up the dates of the civil war, then look at the date that the 13th Amendment was ratified.

Yes they were fighting to secede. That makes them assholes.
Yes they were fighting to retain slavery. That makes them super duper assholes.
Yes they owned slaves. That makes them a level of asshole that cannot be measured.

So what you are saying, is that slavery can be forgiven, if the owner of the slaves lived outside of the south. Because the only thing different from slave owning Davis and slave owning Hancock, was they were born about 400 miles apart. Both held slaves legally.

I'm saying this as a black man. How can you forgive one and not the other?

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A question for people in the South. [View all] pnwmom Oct 2013 OP

The lake here on the border is named giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #1

Yes -- flying the confederate flags is the same thing. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #3

I've suggested using a flame thrower or giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #9

Stay safe, giftedgirl77 -- while you're stirring the pot! pnwmom Oct 2013 #12

Always safe, but always working to change things giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #15

That lake used to be Clark Hill Lake. dawg Oct 2013 #36

On the South Carolina side it is still Clarks Hill giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #63

No it doesn't. dawg Oct 2013 #64

Well then I stand corrected... giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #65

Hi, neighbor! GoCubsGo Oct 2013 #48

Hello to you as well giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #66

Wow! We really are neighbors! GoCubsGo Oct 2013 #67

Wow, crazy small world giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #71

How old are the schools? blueridge3210 Oct 2013 #2

As I said, one was built in the 70's - the other I don't know. pnwmom Oct 2013 #4

But not for the GP6971 Oct 2013 #45

Is it a city that elects liberals, or just another Southern city that elects right wing bigots? Hoyt Oct 2013 #5

It's a weird mixture. pnwmom Oct 2013 #7

In my state, the last Democratic governor got beat mostly over a confederate flag. Hoyt Oct 2013 #13

Have to disagree with you Hoyt. blueridge3210 Oct 2013 #25

Sorry, there are more bigots than teachers. Of course, based upon some I had, Hoyt Oct 2013 #35

Shit, here there's a school named after a big muckety muck of the klan NightWatcher Oct 2013 #6

If that were my kids' school, I'd be out there protesting. pnwmom Oct 2013 #10

He was more than merely the first Grand Wizard Benton D Struckcheon Oct 2013 #17

I read something about that school a couple of weeks ago tnlefty Oct 2013 #19

No schools. Sissyk Oct 2013 #37

OH that's right! I forgot about that... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #51

Remember former Virginia Senator George "Macaca" Allen? LibDemAlways Oct 2013 #61

I think most people today have simply moved on madokie Oct 2013 #8

What do you think about the poster who said their school is named pnwmom Oct 2013 #11

Strom Thrumond High here is a giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #23

I don't think any controversial person should have a school named after them madokie Oct 2013 #27

I think part of the reason for the disconnect and hurt feelings pnwmom Oct 2013 #38

actually he was a general who became a Klan leader dsc Oct 2013 #82

But shouldn't having been a KKK leader disqualified him from the honor? pnwmom Oct 2013 #83

of course dsc Oct 2013 #108

Most people probably have moved on... bobGandolf Oct 2013 #113

I agree. And names matter. n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #115

It was popular in the pre civil rights era supernova Oct 2013 #14

Which is how they got Confederate Memorial Day! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #55

In elementary school, I remember "Lee-Jackson-King Day" all too well... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #70

No....this is a different day...Confederate Memorial Day is separate from MLK day... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #72

Great question LannyDeVaney Oct 2013 #16

Welcome to DU, LannyDeVaney! pnwmom Oct 2013 #46

The Federal Government has two major military bases named after Confederate Generals . . . Journeyman Oct 2013 #18

Fort Hood, Fort Gordon leftstreet Oct 2013 #20

There you go. Adam-Bomb Oct 2013 #43

Fort Jackson is named for Andrew Jackson, not Stonewall Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #53

The high school I attended CherokeeDem Oct 2013 #21

I visited South Carolina on vacation a few years back after the state bluestate10 Oct 2013 #34

I also went to Wade Hampton High School in Greenvile... Tom Ripley Oct 2013 #52

My great-grandfather was wounded trying to stop a Wade Hampton raid. kwassa Oct 2013 #80

mine was captured after the surrender of Vicksburg arely staircase Oct 2013 #89

From Chicago now living in HSV AL al_liberal Oct 2013 #22

Rocket City indeed. n/t tammywammy Oct 2013 #26

You seem to have the mistaken idea xfundy Oct 2013 #24

Does it bother you at all that our nation's capital celebrates Christopher Columbus? Tanuki Oct 2013 #28

Excellent point! Columbus has his own federal holiday, but I don't see much LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #114

I attended a HS called ROBERT E LEE arely staircase Oct 2013 #29

The capital city of the country is named for a guy who owned slaves practically his whole life. WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #30

Voice of reason. Thank you. cordelia Oct 2013 #39

Not so much, TBH. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #88

Think about what you just said. Glassunion Oct 2013 #93

I honestly don't understand the anger here. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #95

I do not think my analogy falls apart. Glassunion Oct 2013 #116

The problem is, is that this isn't nearly as simplistic as you're making it out to be. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #117

Really? Glassunion Oct 2013 #120

Okay, but I feel some things should be clarified on my end. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #121

Cool. Glassunion Nov 2013 #126

Indeed. n/t Skip Intro Oct 2013 #47

He didn't care much for American Indians either Go Vols Oct 2013 #49

Besides complaining on the internet, Glassunion Oct 2013 #31

Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #40

I'm guessing you searched for Presidents' names -- the ones who owned slaves pnwmom Oct 2013 #42

On a technicality slavery was legal during the civil war. Glassunion Oct 2013 #58

The Confederate Generals were fighting for the right to secede pnwmom Oct 2013 #60

I'll repeat myself. Glassunion Oct 2013 #68

I agree about Hancock. But I don't agree about pnwmom Oct 2013 #69

How you qualify honor is puzzling to me. Glassunion Oct 2013 #73

George Washington was first President of the United States, pnwmom Oct 2013 #75

History. You should look it up. Glassunion Oct 2013 #76

Nothing Lee did was comparable to being President. Take a poll pnwmom Oct 2013 #77

Lee absolutely did something that is comparable to being president. Glassunion Oct 2013 #91

The reason Lee says he joined the confederacy makes no difference. kwassa Oct 2013 #81

You are almost 100% correct. Glassunion Oct 2013 #90

And Washington freed all of his, too. AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #87

Washington did not free his slaves. Glassunion Oct 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Oct 2013 #92

He is also buried there NoOneMan Oct 2013 #78

My hat tips to you, Glassunion! Sissyk Oct 2013 #79

++ Well done. Nowhere in America is immune to this hypocrisy. DirkGently Oct 2013 #86

Well, my son's school is named after the German immigrant who settled in the area ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #32

All of my direct male ancestors were Union men..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #96

My husband's middle name is Lee kickitup Oct 2013 #33

Well, there are four high schools named after Reagan in California, Fawke Em Oct 2013 #41

Do you think naming a school after him is comparable to naming pnwmom Oct 2013 #44

Ask the people in Honduras and El Salvador WilliamPitt Oct 2013 #56

That might be comparable if we named schools in Honduras and El Salvador pnwmom Oct 2013 #62

You dont think there are Hondurans in California? quakerboy Oct 2013 #98

I know that California is within the United States pnwmom Oct 2013 #99

And the confederate generals were popular quakerboy Oct 2013 #102

Yes they were -- because they led the war against the U.S. pnwmom Oct 2013 #103

Im not a southerner quakerboy Oct 2013 #105

What you described is the way it seems to me, too. pnwmom Oct 2013 #107

But you detract from your own point. quakerboy Oct 2013 #122

Two reasons. pnwmom Oct 2013 #123

And you believe what you read. Fawke Em Nov 2013 #125

Thank you for getting and making my point. Fawke Em Nov 2013 #124

I am from the south Munificence Oct 2013 #50

Research Harvard. flvegan Oct 2013 #54

Why give the North and West a pass? All this land was stolen form the Indians at gunpoint. Throd Oct 2013 #57

Most large California cities are named after Catholic saints. kwassa Oct 2013 #85

Yes, we really DO eat grits Aerows Oct 2013 #59

And no damn "pancakes" Glassunion Oct 2013 #74

Hotcakes, when I was growing up. moriah Oct 2013 #112

My husband loves grits marlakay Oct 2013 #97

I took a night class located at Jeb Stuart High School kwassa Oct 2013 #84

why lookie here backwoodsbob Oct 2013 #100

Sherman was a General fighting for the United States, pnwmom Oct 2013 #101

that's interesting backwoodsbob Oct 2013 #104

The Confederacy fired the first shots. They got the war that they wanted. pnwmom Oct 2013 #106

saddam was killing civilians too backwoodsbob Oct 2013 #109

Saddam never waged war on us. We went in there and it was wrong.n/t pnwmom Oct 2013 #110

I don't know, none are named after 'em in Little Rock to my knowledge. moriah Oct 2013 #111

Grew in up suburban NTX myself..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2013 #118

My Arkansas school was George Washington Carver High. Cannikin Oct 2013 #119