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Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:58 PM

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Revealed: NSA pushed 9/11 as key 'sound bite' to justify surveillance (holy crap!) [View all] nashville_brook Oct 2013 OP

In other news, water us still wet nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #1

shows how disingenuous the whole lot is. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #2

We already knew that. randome Oct 2013 #7

in this case we've got investigative journos with spine who're nashville_brook Oct 2013 #9

Hey, werent you one of those that screamed that the NSA wasnt spying on anyone? rhett o rick Oct 2013 #70

The NSA's job is to monitor foreign communications. randome Oct 2013 #80

Some here tried their hardest to shut down discussion about the NSA rhett o rick Oct 2013 #81

I just see the entire thing as a waste of everyone's time. randome Oct 2013 #82

I think it is extremely important. Via spying the NSA, FBI, and CIA rhett o rick Oct 2013 #83

Who is controlling our government? randome Oct 2013 #84

It's a great question, "Who is controlling our government?" rhett o rick Oct 2013 #86

+1,000 malaise Oct 2013 #56

We are chums, and those in power count on it. nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #58

So they admit using 9/11 to push their agenda... NightWatcher Oct 2013 #3

yoink. also, they're touting 9/11 as if they had success with stopping it. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #6

Sure 3000+ people died. EOTE Oct 2013 #14

Our civil liberties don't apply to Germany. randome Oct 2013 #15

Uh, I'm not talking about Germany. EOTE Oct 2013 #16

+1 nashville_brook Oct 2013 #74

Yep BobbyBoring Oct 2013 #45

Actually, it just made me want pancakes from giftedgirl77 Oct 2013 #52

Ding! Ding! Ding! +1,000,000. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #69

Not just the NSA. The BND, DGSE and SIS(MI6) use the various global terror attacks to justify stevenleser Oct 2013 #4

we've seen it in action -- yesterday in the intel hearing for instance, nashville_brook Oct 2013 #8

Well, knowing that most western intelligence agencies say this is why they do it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #10

hacking Angela Merkel's cell phone...this is what this talking point is used on nashville_brook Oct 2013 #11

I still don't get this. randome Oct 2013 #12

How about, "Our credibility as a good-faith actor DirkGently Oct 2013 #46

I'm surprised that our credibility with other spying nations is anything to get worked up about. randome Oct 2013 #51

Our allies seem less convinced it's just what "spying nations" do. DirkGently Oct 2013 #59

Yes. We would. randome Oct 2013 #78

A bold assertion. DirkGently Oct 2013 #87

So you draw the line at spying when it involves someone's cell phone. randome Oct 2013 #88

No -- Merkle's cell is just a prime example of NSA defender hypocrisy. DirkGently Oct 2013 #89

There are more than "two choices". ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #13

The fact that more are doing it for the same stated reason completely undercuts that suggestion stevenleser Oct 2013 #17

We don't know that they're doing the "same thing". ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #19

Their intel agencies supply much of the EU data the NSA gets. stevenleser Oct 2013 #23

So in your world intelligence agency abuses only began after 9/11? villager Oct 2013 #28

Did you only just discover that spying agencies exist that spy? nt stevenleser Oct 2013 #35

Did you only just discover that spying agencies exist that violate civil rights? villager Oct 2013 #67

How Science Is Telling Us All To Revolt... dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #36

As an American I think singling out American agencies make perfect sense. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #48

Exactly. (To all your points.) I find the rationalizations disturbing. deurbano Oct 2013 #53

They also can't answer why, if everyone does it and it's no big deal, why we slam spies Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #55

DURec leftstreet Oct 2013 #5

and everyone knows who did 9-11--Syria! MisterP Oct 2013 #18

A large oil field was recently discovered in Libya. Maybe Libya was responsible for 9/11. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #47

They spy on Merkel not to thwart another 9-11, but for economic reasons Jamiletto Oct 2013 #20

They are facile liars. They are corporate fascists. woo me with science Oct 2013 #21

+1 Exactly KoKo Oct 2013 #32

i think this is my bottom line, too. want to target terrorists, fine. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #41

Facile is right. How lame & transparent to run to the 9/11 well. DirkGently Oct 2013 #57

the boy who cried wolf jon10 Oct 2013 #22

9-11 has been oh so convenient, with junior and Laura having had a great 2001, the MIC indepat Oct 2013 #24

So how much were they paying Ghouliani ? bahrbearian Oct 2013 #25

K&R Blue Owl Oct 2013 #26

A noun, a verb, and 9/11. DirkGently Oct 2013 #27

Using trumped-up terror to dismantle our Constitution. woo me with science Oct 2013 #29

Remember "Message force multipliers"? Trillo Oct 2013 #30

The cynical use of that tragedy is despicable. I'm sure they used the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #31

Rudy Giuliani, NSA Minister of Propaganda. bullwinkle428 Oct 2013 #33

"bin Laden determined to strike in US" -- we had the intel KurtNYC Oct 2013 #34

+1 nashville_brook Oct 2013 #39

... and CIA had profit motive for sitting on the information. Festivito Oct 2013 #50

War in Iraq was where the money was. DirkGently Oct 2013 #61

Fear is what is always used. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Oct 2013 #37

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #38

THIS is what they meant when the PNAC crowd said 9/11 'changed everything' Rex Oct 2013 #40

And probably what Colin Powell really meant when he said, "If you break it, you own it." AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #49

"another Pearl Harbor" to justify anything. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #64

FEAR -is- the enemy of liberty. Pls, see writings of B. Franklin HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #42

How come.... arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #43

K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2013 #44

As if... sendero Oct 2013 #54

precisely. it's not like we're not noticing this. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #75

holy crap warrprayer Oct 2013 #60

K&R n/t Joe Shlabotnik Oct 2013 #62

Not sure why this is any surprise. Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #63

things can be unsurprising and useful at the same time nashville_brook Oct 2013 #65

As per your subject line and first paragraph Grateful for Hope Oct 2013 #66

was rushing to dinner nashville_brook Oct 2013 #68

We don't know the truth about NSA and 9/11 noise Oct 2013 #71

perfect example of the disconnect. nashville_brook Oct 2013 #73

NSA is power mad. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #72

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #76

fucking assholes, 9/11 was the ticket to pull all sorts of shit on folks gopiscrap Oct 2013 #77

How very Bushian LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #79

No.......really. Historic NY Oct 2013 #85