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DonCoquixote

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190. And Warren takes the dive

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 04:34 AM

Oct 2013

because the powers that be will NOT be surprised again.

That's ok Liz, there is one silver lining to this. If Hillary turns out not to be inevitable come November 2016, then it will be the final and complete call to throw the Clinton "GOP LITE" center out, which means 2020 is yours for the taking. Hillary would do well to remember that her friends like McCain will backstab her, and that Bill is always good for that one run of the mouth that sours moods. If she runs and fails in 2016, the left can finally say "see, we need to run real democrats dammit, the clinton speel is over!"

Not that I would want that, because even a so called "moderate" GOP will make sure to follow the marhcing orders of Alec, as well as folks like Dick Cheney. If the tea party gets in, then well, there might not be much of a country worth running anyway.

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BREAKING: Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary for President [View all] brooklynite Oct 2013 OP

and 1000 DU heads explode Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #1

My same thoughts.......... Beacool Oct 2013 #14

Here's my take on how that is playing out BainsBane Oct 2013 #111

Funny!!! Beacool Oct 2013 #234

hardly I doubt there's so much as one, pretzy. cali Oct 2013 #36

:) not disappointed. just smiling. Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #39

I've got no problem making up my own mind on these things. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #50

At least a dozen of them will show up on this thread and a few... Walk away Oct 2013 #74

I will vote for Clinton if she's nominated MynameisBlarney Oct 2013 #99

Me, too. Fawke Em Oct 2013 #206

I like that the women are all in on it. That tickles me. Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #207

lol lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #104

She is a Senator, not an Oracle. I feel zero obligation to follow suite. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #158

Same here. It doesn't matter to me one whit who Elizabeth Warren supports. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #193

Pick again.... brooklynite Oct 2013 #197

Well, I don't so I'll keep on keeping on TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #221

Not an unexpected position for her to take... gcomeau Oct 2013 #2

What was she going to do? Be the lone holdout? Scuba Oct 2013 #18

Fortunately, you won't have to... brooklynite Oct 2013 #24

Fortunately for whom? Octafish Oct 2013 #31

+ ∞ cascadiance Oct 2013 #183

+10000 nt antigop Nov 2013 #249

Umm... yes? gcomeau Oct 2013 #32

Same here, Scuba. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #37

She will be too old in seven or eleven years. She won't be President. MADem Oct 2013 #202

She will be too old in 20 or 24. She's 64 now. MADem Oct 2013 #208

I find new reasons not to give a damn about politics nearly every day Fumesucker Oct 2013 #3

Hate to hear you say that. Laelth Oct 2013 #41

That will be a horrendous campaign Fumesucker Oct 2013 #64

Yeah, the position flattened me also. With the crazy republican threats around, bluestate10 Oct 2013 #68

Some people vote for those who represent their positions... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #119

This is an unproductive way of looking at it treestar Oct 2013 #169

Of course. As I said, there are arguments for both positions... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #173

Over a cliff is over a cliff quakerboy Oct 2013 #189

The House is held by Republicans treestar Oct 2013 #199

Will they? quakerboy Oct 2013 #242

Did Captain America give up? No! randome Oct 2013 #52

~snort~ Fumesucker Oct 2013 #69

In the MOMA reddread Oct 2013 #165

+1 So basically you're saying that she would be rejected on Jerry Springer's "Bagage" show. L0oniX Oct 2013 #121

I don't. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #4

add me Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #15

And neither do I. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #27

Ditto n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #34

It isn't as if Warren has a choice in the matter. HappyMe Oct 2013 #5

Huh? leftynyc Oct 2013 #7

Come on, how would it have looked if they came to her HappyMe Oct 2013 #9

Easy leftynyc Oct 2013 #10

I've been saying that since, well, since I was 18. n/t eggplant Oct 2013 #112

Same here leftynyc Oct 2013 #116

lol, me too! eggplant Oct 2013 #147

My father was a bit of a shitkicker leftynyc Oct 2013 #191

Of course, it wasn't a hard decision to make since SHE WASN'T RUNNING to begin with brooklynite Oct 2013 #13

I KNOW THAT. HappyMe Oct 2013 #16

it would have looked like she was backing a different candidate? gcomeau Oct 2013 #17

I think people would have torn her to bits HappyMe Oct 2013 #25

She didn't say she was "backing" Hillary, per se. Laelth Oct 2013 #42

EW isn't going to run. HappyMe Oct 2013 #44

Your crystal ball is likely to be far more clear than mine is on this issue. Laelth Oct 2013 #49

I don't have any chrystal ball. HappyMe Oct 2013 #58

Cool. n/t Laelth Oct 2013 #67

yes. bits and pieces. Whisp Oct 2013 #180

When has Warren ever come across as someone pnwmom Oct 2013 #148

This isn't about "comment," though. This is a letter, a private letter, signed by MADem Oct 2013 #209

Well, ABC News had it, so it's not HappyMe Oct 2013 #211

She is too old. And no one knows her past. MADem Oct 2013 #213

I'm too young to remember the swift boating of JFK. HappyMe Oct 2013 #216

How old are you--12? It wasn't that long ago. MADem Oct 2013 #217

Kerry I remember. HappyMe Oct 2013 #220

Some time ago, I put up an article here where EW said she wasn't going to run. MADem Oct 2013 #224

Without this, one doesn't raise a billion dollars, and other "incidentals". A true, electable libdem4life Nov 2013 #253

So much for her being so tough Renew Deal Oct 2013 #21

Before today, did you ever express your belief that Warren would support Hillary this early? Jamiletto Oct 2013 #55

No, I hadn't even thought about it before now. HappyMe Oct 2013 #81

If Warren is so weak willed that she can't even be truthful in a secrect... Walk away Oct 2013 #57

Weak willed? HappyMe Oct 2013 #60

How can you at once call Warren an independent thinker then turn around and say that bluestate10 Oct 2013 #71

I kind of think she didn't have a choice. HappyMe Oct 2013 #86

Keep her job? She was just elected to a nice long Senate term. MADem Oct 2013 #225

Of course she has/had a choice in the matter. winter is coming Oct 2013 #82

Well, then the headline would have been- HappyMe Oct 2013 #90

That would have actually been newsworthy. winter is coming Oct 2013 #92

Yeah, that would have been newsworthy. HappyMe Oct 2013 #96

Yes, she had a choice in the matter and she chose to support Hillary. Beacool Oct 2013 #139

She wants to be Fed Chair someday, perhaps--and HRC could make that happen. nt MADem Oct 2013 #210

Warren wouldn't give in to pressure. joshcryer Oct 2013 #188

No more corporatists and warmongers. nt woo me with science Oct 2013 #6

They just want a star QB is all, they could care less Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #19

Yep - there should be a major party in opposition to that. polichick Oct 2013 #100

Corporate shill!!!! Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #8

I will support whoever the nominee is, and I kick and rec anyone who will support ANYONE LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #11

Kick & recommended. William769 Oct 2013 #12

Let me back up a little Renew Deal Oct 2013 #20

Encouraging someone to run is not the same as supporting her for President. randome Oct 2013 #22

Warren has said more than once that she's not interested in running for president. Beacool Oct 2013 #23

Don't get why everyone always wants to take our best leaders NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #40

That's my feeling too. Beacool Oct 2013 #46

True dat. Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #132

Actually, it makes sense. Beacool Oct 2013 #141

Especially ones with her specific skillset. MADem Oct 2013 #226

Ted Kennedy is another example NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #230

And he made sure he'd never be President because he ran at a time when he was MADem Oct 2013 #231

Yep. I think in the end things ended up working out for the best. NYC Liberal Oct 2013 #239

+1 ... and what a superb summary of the situation, too!!!! nt MADem Oct 2013 #240

Very well said! Of course, me thinks he was drugged the whole juajen Nov 2013 #254

Yep. And Congress, not the WH, is where the *real* power lies. BlueCaliDem Oct 2013 #133

That wasn't the Turd Way line when we had to move to "center" to win the White House but enjoyed TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #159

that's disappointing.... mike_c Oct 2013 #26

Thanks for letting us know. I'd never have guessed. MineralMan Oct 2013 #35

yeah, it's pretty obvious.... mike_c Oct 2013 #43

Another one under the bus. MineralMan Oct 2013 #28

Now you've done it. stevenleser Oct 2013 #29

Disappointing whatchamacallit Oct 2013 #30

Sounds rather under-handed and conniving to me... kentuck Oct 2013 #33

"The actual letter has still not emerged publicly. But its existence adds momentum winter is coming Oct 2013 #65

I think it's a neon sign reading, "Hillary: The PTB's Choice!" FiveGoodMen Oct 2013 #222

Those "high profile" supporters fredamae Oct 2013 #38

Well, if "We" want a change, then "We" had better get started... brooklynite Oct 2013 #54

Hey, we could try these two. They're ideologically pure, and they've got experience...... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #66

Lol n/t fredamae Oct 2013 #72

You are correct-but first fredamae Oct 2013 #70

It's easy... brooklynite Oct 2013 #94

Folks like me don't have fredamae Oct 2013 #113

I actually empathize with you even though I don't agree. You're in for a disappointment. stevenleser Oct 2013 #56

It does "suck". fredamae Oct 2013 #87

She outpolls top Republican prospects in their own states. I think she wins 42 states in the gen. stevenleser Oct 2013 #103

Who is this "we", because it sure as heck is not the majority of the country? Beacool Oct 2013 #143

And as long as we don't see a resurgence of neo-liberalism, Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #45

She is who she is. There is virtually no reason to expect anything but. TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #150

If she thinks we can go through another round of spreading the wealth to the cronies, Baitball Blogger Oct 2013 #160

That we are TheKentuckian Oct 2013 #219

I support Hillary and hope she wins. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #47

... BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #48

That's a disappointment. n/t Chan790 Oct 2013 #51

Elizabeth has Class, I wonder if Hillary would support Elizabeth? bahrbearian Oct 2013 #53

It would depend on whether Hillary is running or whether other candidates are better Jamiletto Oct 2013 #59

That is not even something to be wondered about. Hillary has a ton of grace and class where that stevenleser Oct 2013 #61

Clinton showed plenty of grace when She stepped aside for President Obama in the nomination hrmjustin Oct 2013 #63

She showed how classy she was then. bahrbearian Oct 2013 #75

I don't think Warren would run against her but if she did and warren won then I would expect the hrmjustin Oct 2013 #79

I am sure Hillary would support any Democratic woman that chose to run. Clinton bluestate10 Oct 2013 #76

In case you missed it, after the primaries were over Hillary fully supported Obama. Beacool Oct 2013 #138

I'll bet HRC will support EW when it comes time for her to run for reelection, or if EW wants to MADem Oct 2013 #212

Until the hats are actually and formally tossed into the ring. . . DinahMoeHum Oct 2013 #62

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2013 #73

what? gopiscrap Oct 2013 #80

Bwah! Welcome to DU! n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #83

Welcome to DU. Autumn Oct 2013 #85

Hello ~ dyana In_The_Wind Oct 2013 #95

?? Is there some minimum length of time someone has to be a member winter is coming Oct 2013 #98

wow at this rate she'll have the nomination locked up by the end of the year. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #77

She pretty much has been nominated davidpdx Oct 2013 #157

It still doesn't mean I'll support Hillary just because Warren does. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #78

CLINTON / WARREN 2016!!! President and First Woman!!! Mike Nelson Oct 2013 #84

First Woman?? Clinton and Warren are going to marry??!? n/t winter is coming Oct 2013 #89

Now THAT would blow some RW minds!!! Beacool Oct 2013 #144

I was thinking of First Woman President, but... Mike Nelson Oct 2013 #179

Warren would do better as Treasury Secretary or Fed Chair. nt MADem Oct 2013 #218

+1 SunSeeker Nov 2013 #258

She has a free voice and has the right to support whom she wants. nt arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #88

Barack Obama was inaugurated for his second term less than ten months ago. DFW Oct 2013 #91

Of course we care. But lets face it. President Obama is not going to be able to solve all of totodeinhere Nov 2013 #247

no, the "inevitability" meme has to be spread on DU, as well as the "no one else is electable" meme. antigop Nov 2013 #251

I remember that line from 2008. DFW Nov 2013 #255

tell that to those spreading the meme(s). nt antigop Nov 2013 #256

Thanks but no thanks DFW Nov 2013 #257

Personally i would prefer tiredtoo Oct 2013 #93

Perhaps you don't understand how this Politics thing works... brooklynite Oct 2013 #106

Your understanding seems to work only in one direction. ieoeja Oct 2013 #129

...and how are you indicating the amount of opposition? brooklynite Oct 2013 #161

...and how are you indicating the amount of support? ieoeja Oct 2013 #203

Clever, but..... brooklynite Oct 2013 #235

Well of course she does, we will all support the nominee that has been chosen for us. Zorra Oct 2013 #97

And so do I. Elizabeth is smart and pragmatic and knows Hillary will pave the way. nolabear Oct 2013 #101

Wait. What? LordGlenconner Oct 2013 #102

Sounds great! Maybe Ms. Warren will think about the VP position! Rex Oct 2013 #105

Or maybe she'll remain in the position where she can do more good. longship Oct 2013 #136

that's nice... stillcool Oct 2013 #107

So? bowens43 Oct 2013 #108

Nevertheless. I do not support Hillary Clinton. I support Elizabeth Warren. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #109

I support Salvador Allende BainsBane Oct 2013 #118

While she was on the Board of Walmart her main focus was DURHAM D Oct 2013 #149

She also forced them to build the first "green" store, as "green" went in those days. MADem Oct 2013 #229

This............ Beacool Oct 2013 #236

as SOS, HRC played a leading part in drafting the TPP, according to Business Week antigop Nov 2013 #252

On this day the heavens opened up, Satan ascended to the earth BainsBane Oct 2013 #110

LMAO. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #115

..... Lil Missy Oct 2013 #177

How DARE Saint Elizabeth of Arc, the anti Wall Street Warrior, choose not to run for president? Beacool Oct 2013 #237

Doesn't sound so secret to me. I'll wait for confirmation from Warren. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2013 #114

I am not ruling out supporting Hillary for a run but.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #117

A Warren endorsement is very powerful. Very powerful, indeed. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #120

I agree MissDeeds Oct 2013 #134

My post was intended to have dual meanings. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #145

and no love for my joke BainsBane Oct 2013 #162

I didn't see it. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #163

My objection was the same BainsBane Oct 2013 #174

I supported Kerry in 2004 because I thought he was the smart choice. Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #175

Not much support if the letter is secret. Mass Oct 2013 #122

There is a huge difference between people encouraging a credible candidate to run and supporting Mass Oct 2013 #123

Clinton hasn't announced she's running BainsBane Oct 2013 #124

No, just pointing the obvious. Obviously, these senators did not intend to publish Mass Oct 2013 #125

The idea that anyone is inevitable is bogus BainsBane Oct 2013 #126

There is far more hate here for the President than for Hillary. Whisp Oct 2013 #182

While acceptable I'm still bummed 4dsc Oct 2013 #127

ABC Youtube Video BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #128

Well if a broken clock is correct twice per day, a working one is wrong closeupready Oct 2013 #130

She ran as a Democrat under the banner of the Democratic Party BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #131

Yeah, a working clock is right all the time, and depending on how the clock is broken Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #146

And? That doesn't make Clinton any less a crap candidate. AtomicKitten Oct 2013 #135

Nope, a turd in a bowl is still a turd, no matter how you decorate the bowl. 1-Old-Man Oct 2013 #151

That settles it, then! freshwest Oct 2013 #137

Well, of course she does. Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #140

No comment at this time... fadedrose Oct 2013 #142

Any shock or hurt feelings could be avoided if some here ecstatic Oct 2013 #152

Kind of weird to see disappointment - or really, failure to shout HURRAY!!!!!! djean111 Oct 2013 #155

fyi ecstatic Oct 2013 #176

Anyone who has paid any attention to these boards BainsBane Oct 2013 #185

Totally agree with that last sentence treestar Oct 2013 #170

If Senator Warren had any interest in running for President DURHAM D Oct 2013 #153

Is this the same Hillary who is negotiating the terms of the TPP? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #154

Why yes, yes she is.....and the TPP will be declared as Just and Good - merely because djean111 Oct 2013 #156

"is" ? DURHAM D Oct 2013 #164

Yeah, the agreement that'll end up being the biggest corporate coup since CU NuclearDem Oct 2013 #167

bill,hillary,and barack ....the leadership of neo conservative democratic party madrchsod Oct 2013 #168

Nope, this Hillary is a private citizen. Beacool Oct 2013 #238

as opposed to a certain former sos DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #248

as SOS, she played a leading part in drafting the TPP, according to Business Week antigop Nov 2013 #250

going to save a lot of money in the primaries. madrchsod Oct 2013 #166

that is a silver lining. Lots of dark money going into Repug coffers riversedge Oct 2013 #227

Awesome BootinUp Oct 2013 #171

"BREAKING"... LOL. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2013 #172

No surprise in the real world n/t Lil Missy Oct 2013 #178

And what did the letter say? MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #181

It's secret, but unanimous among women Senators. joshcryer Oct 2013 #187

Sigh... Koch Brothers must be happy their money is buying the Dem's "choices" again... cascadiance Oct 2013 #184

and 2000 DU heads explode... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2013 #186

Who the hell is "taking away your choice"? brooklynite Oct 2013 #198

Why was this letter necessary then if we were confident in the system giving us a good choice later? cascadiance Oct 2013 #200

Because unlike people whose political actitvity is limited to blog posts... brooklynite Oct 2013 #223

No it isn't--it's a way of telling HRC that these women will make their PAC money available to her. MADem Oct 2013 #232

This letter could be interpreted in different ways... cascadiance Nov 2013 #245

Well served! MADem Oct 2013 #215

And Warren takes the dive DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #190

Hold up, we don't know the letter exclusively singled out Hillary. joshcryer Oct 2013 #195

a secret letter DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #192

Boxer wrote the letter. joshcryer Oct 2013 #194

Amy Klobuchar brooklynite Oct 2013 #196

No, that's not what the letter said--it said "Please run, Hillary." MADem Oct 2013 #205

Why is anyone surprised? EW and HRC have MUCH in common, and EW has said she MADem Oct 2013 #201

Veep slot for EW? Jester Messiah Oct 2013 #204

No. Fed Chair and then retirement. EW is 64, she's in the last MADem Oct 2013 #214

well, OF COURSE she asked her to run! Divine Discontent Oct 2013 #228

You're joking, I trust. MADem Oct 2013 #233

Hillary is not good in the debates either. bvar22 Nov 2013 #259

Gee, she was so "not good" that our POTUS said, more than once, MADem Nov 2013 #261

Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary for Pres, and so do I c588415 Oct 2013 #241

YAY! I would love more H-1B expansion to have my job given away to. cascadiance Nov 2013 #246

I think it's worth saying... upi402 Oct 2013 #243

Damn those democrats for showing support for democrats! Fearless Nov 2013 #244

Kick Scurrilous Nov 2013 #260