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JoePhilly

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47. It was a way to protect the male work force.

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:00 PM

Oct 2013

And the polices were originally created for to protect men (they could pay for them).

As for a vasectomy, if we men had to carry the fetus, maybe it would be covered.

Or, men could step forward and complain ... WE WANT VASECTOMIES!!!

Meanwhile, a tubal ligation has a value for a woman's health beyond contraception.

My real problem with your approach here is that you are playing what is essentially a right wing game here ... if I don;t need X, why do I need to pay for you to have X.

They say this about taxes for schools. I don't have kids, why should I pay for school taxes.

Why should a woman pay for Viagra? Why should a man pay for the Pill?

Its a silly game.

If you want to focus on issues that damage men's health, create the list of treatments that you think should be covered, and get like minded folks to help you demand them.

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ACA: Setting aside the issue of cost. [View all] lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 OP

Only one mention of the word men?!?! Skinner Oct 2013 #1

Sure. We get free mammograms. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #4

You do know that men get breast cancer right? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #76

I have no clue what point you are trying to make. DURHAM D Oct 2013 #2

Let's take another tack. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #9

Affordable 'C' Act isn't what you think it is. n/t Whisp Oct 2013 #20

I have the law on my screen. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #23

most likely because this is a new addition to insurance inclusion. Whisp Oct 2013 #26

Don't bother looking for terms like "funbags," either. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2013 #3

... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #5

Have you considered why the post you're laughing at is funny? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #29

Yes, because he said "fun bags." End of story. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #30

You're an easy audience. n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #33

I imagine most people would find it funny. n/t ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #35

"funbags" was funny the first 50 times. Quantess Oct 2013 #55

In the context of the post, it was quite funny. ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #56

. reflection Oct 2013 #40

So insert men every now and again nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #6

Great idea! lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #8

Go for it nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #12

Men die younger from every preventable cause. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #15

because women birth YOUR babies.... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #83

Exactly. "Men" have always been the default. But for those whose hobby is to make it about Squinch Oct 2013 #78

EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #81

You do realize that healthcare skews towards men mostly right? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #80

Is this satire? Or sarcasm? Or something like that? ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #7

This post is offensive Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #10

Why? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #11

You are essentially pretending ACA has bias toward women's health Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #13

Of course it has a bias toward women's health. It says so. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #17

Oh, yes nobodyspecial Oct 2013 #14

Who said "white"? n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #18

well men aren't as important as women. ZomBoy Oct 2013 #16

so basically you feel you are losing out because women now don't Whisp Oct 2013 #19

No. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #22

a lot of 'people's health is in crisis... Whisp Oct 2013 #24

I think mandated insurance is a good thing in that regard. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #25

And there it is. Nine Oct 2013 #51

No, it's not. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #52

He's feeling oppressed. One more unearned advantage is slipping away. Squinch Oct 2013 #82

The people with the weakest arguments don't even try to make them to the person they disagree with lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #106

Or maybe I just wasn't talking to you. I see JR high kids assuming they need to be the center of Squinch Nov 2013 #108

Of course you weren't talking to me. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #110

Right. In your world, talking to anyone other than you is non-courageous. Check. Squinch Nov 2013 #111

Talking about me to someone other than me? Yes. Non-courageous. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #112

Check. Only you can be spoken to. Squinch Nov 2013 #113

Until ACA Women paid TWICE as much as men... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #85

Apparently NOT having ACA would be better for "men's health" VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #84

where were you when Woman's health Texasgal Oct 2013 #62

I must have missed the part where the Catholic Church, Hobby Lobby, and geek tragedy Oct 2013 #21

Stand the President in the corner BainsBane Oct 2013 #27

Would you agree that being male carries a greater health risk? lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #28

And then Black males would by this standard be even less... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #86

Shhhh, you can't talk about that here. eqfan592 Oct 2013 #31

I've come to the conclusion that much of what passes for progressive attitudes on gender lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #32

ACA did not invent the term "women's health" Nine Oct 2013 #34

OMG!!!1! Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #36

Yes, because that's exactly the point he was making. eqfan592 Oct 2013 #37

Most plans already covered Viagra, but not the pill. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #39

Notice I never said anything about the law. eqfan592 Oct 2013 #41

If health care has traditionally catered to men, it manifests oddly. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #43

It was a way to protect the male work force. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #47

I'm not saying that at all, and it's impossible to honestly read that in anything I've said. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #50

What do you think the NIH was for the past N-decades? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #54

"Where do you think the advances to heart disease came from" lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #58

The cause of men dying more from heart disease than women has nothing to JoePhilly Oct 2013 #59

You'd think, with all the deterministic excuses for short male lifespans lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #64

one word for you Estrogen! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #89

That is NOT true... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #88

Vasectomy is free only if your deductible is satisfied. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #92

It is the same point he always makes Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #42

Thanks for the promo! n/t lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #45

No problem... Your MRA bullshit should be seen - nt Ohio Joe Oct 2013 #46

"their issue" IS that they don't go! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #87

Do the references to breasts also include pictures? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #38

When healthcare stops covering karadax Oct 2013 #44

Pop quiz lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #48

Do you think those are equivalent procedures? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #53

Yes. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #57

What public interest would be served ... ?? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #61

Unwanted pregnancy. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #63

First...you do understand the MOST dangerous part of ANY surgery is anesthesia.. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #90

So... tubal ligation should be... free?... because it requires anesthesia? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #95

NO....because it is MUCH more expensive! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #98

You haven't given a good reason why vasectomy should not be free like a tubal ligation is. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #100

What???? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #102

Didn't you just post upthread about how comparatively dangerous tubal ligation is? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #103

True fadedrose Oct 2013 #49

Well, as it stands, there has not YET been a campaign to get men to Dr.s HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #60

There should be a blind eye when it comes to treatment, research, care and coverage ... slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #65

Honestly, from a women's health perspective, I see risks to the ACA approach lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #66

You have to segregate womens health Texasgal Oct 2013 #67

I'm upset that there is not similar emphasis on men's health. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #68

We need a blind eye in all aspects! n/t slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #70

Women die too ya know. Texasgal Oct 2013 #72

I didn't answer because the premise of the question is stupid lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #96

That is why we need a blind eye and that applies to gender .. slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #69

Race? Texasgal Oct 2013 #73

We should try and be as equitable as possible whether it be gender or race ... slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #74

Striving for is great Texasgal Oct 2013 #75

I agree, but sometimes the the pendulum swings too far and others are hurt ... slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #77

Yes. i do disagree Texasgal Oct 2013 #79

Did you not not read my original post where I said we need to turn a blind eye ... slipslidingaway Oct 2013 #91

Where would prostrates fit in the Office of Women's Health? pnwmom Oct 2013 #71

The affordable care act creates an office of women's health. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #93

Maybe that's because a fetus's health is completely dependent pnwmom Nov 2013 #94

There's nothing in the law that suggests that a main purpose is to protect fetuses. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #97

That's why we have women and children feeding programs -- pnwmom Nov 2013 #99

I could buy that argument if most of the freebies in the law weren't contraceptive. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #101

But contraception also protects a woman's future childbearing health. pnwmom Nov 2013 #104

Tubal ligation doesn't. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #105

Men are covered for vasectomies, aren't they? pnwmom Nov 2013 #107

This has been covered at length in this thread. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #109

Well that's dumb. Sorry! n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #115

The ACA is essentially a health coverage bill, not a health care bill. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #114

"discriminate" has a well understood dictionary meaning. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #116

A short-sighted mistake, if you ask me. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #117