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Reply to woo me with science (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:42 AM

Nov 2013

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Why Did Obama Administration Ask Judge To Increase Gov. Siegelman's Prison Sentence? [View all] red dog 1 Oct 2013 OP

Has anyone ever asked DOJ pscot Oct 2013 #1

Last May, Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) "Queried Eric Holder About the Siegelman Case" red dog 1 Oct 2013 #4

This thread needs a TOTAL BULLSHIT ALERT at the top. Coyotl Oct 2013 #51

About what is the OP misleading us? Maedhros Oct 2013 #60

Is the claim that this DOJ is responsibe for Siegelman sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #63

potus should of fired all the us attorneys first day questionseverything Oct 2013 #68

Yes, I read early on in the Obama admin. that the Bushies left moles behind in several brush Oct 2013 #154

firing the bushie us attorney would of been fine questionseverything Oct 2013 #156

+1... SidDithers Oct 2013 #72

What part of the claim is untrue? Marr Oct 2013 #82

If you don't know, where have you been on this issue all this time. Coyotl Oct 2013 #99

I don't know, and I have been following this case since it began so sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #147

I don't see an answer there, and Jesus-- talk about projection. Marr Oct 2013 #158

See your own post #51 n/t cui bono Nov 2013 #192

Why are you attacking people just for asking questions? Ken Burch Nov 2013 #218

So then rebut it. n/t cui bono Nov 2013 #191

Rsther than acting like a seagull dixiegrrrrl Nov 2013 #199

WTF? Blue Owl Oct 2013 #2

My reaction too! arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #3

It was clearly and indubitably the right-wing thingy to do, indepat Oct 2013 #5

And, if you check the facts, you will find it was a right-winger doing it. Coyotl Oct 2013 #47

I never bash the President and rarely ever bash anything not right wingy. indepat Oct 2013 #65

why not direct us to those facts? frylock Oct 2013 #73

Who fucking put that RWer in the position to make this decision? It's Obama's choice to have all of Chakab Oct 2013 #127

Sickening that loyalty to a politician would blind someone to sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #145

Still no facts from you. n/t cui bono Nov 2013 #194

THIS IS THE CORRUPTION WE FACE. woo me with science Oct 2013 #6

A sad fact. Doremus Oct 2013 #7

Like a drumbeat... woo me with science Oct 2013 #9

No kidding. jsr Oct 2013 #22

Let me amend to "so called" Democratic complicity lark Oct 2013 #25

That may be the "topic" but it's devoid of fact. George II Oct 2013 #77

So provide a rebuttal. cui bono Nov 2013 #195

It's impossible to provide a rebuttal for something that didn't happen. George II Nov 2013 #200

Are we allowed to say that? I think that we're not supposed to notice. Or otherwise have an excuse. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #12

+1 This man will spend YEARS of his life in a cage woo me with science Oct 2013 #27

Why? Why was this done? pscot Oct 2013 #118

+1 for the 1st Amendment. Laelth Nov 2013 #178

Even in the face of such corruption Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #18

Since you view this as official corruption, do you think impeachment proceedings geek tragedy Oct 2013 #36

I do not "think impeachment proceedings for Holder & Obama are appropriate" red dog 1 Oct 2013 #59

So, you accept everything you read in every Daily Kos diary geek tragedy Oct 2013 #61

he does not need any1s permission to fire us attorneys questionseverything Oct 2013 #70

+1. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #179

What do you think of the Siegelman Case, considering all sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #71

re: Siegelman, first thing I do is pretend he's a Republican geek tragedy Oct 2013 #74

Guilty of what? sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #80

Making an explicit quid pro quo by trading a $500K donation geek tragedy Oct 2013 #83

Could you link to that, that he 'made an explicit quid pro quo' sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #84

$500K donation to his re-election campaign. That's what the conviction was for, nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #88

the 500k was to a campaign to encourage the lottery questionseverything Oct 2013 #116

The contribution was to an ISSUES campaign... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #120

+ 1 red dog 1 Nov 2013 #196

I didn't think you knew much about this case. See the responses sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #144

Please provide proof. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #129

That would imply that politics trumps justice. zeemike Oct 2013 #90

the distinction between politics and law is a fuzzy one at best geek tragedy Oct 2013 #92

Well that is the point is it not? zeemike Oct 2013 #93

The constitution was not set up to insure justice, not at all. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #94

Holey shit, it is right there in the first sentence and you missed it. zeemike Oct 2013 #95

Followed by the part where slaves are 3/5 of a human being, right? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #96

That was an amendment to the constitution. zeemike Oct 2013 #97

Derp. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #98

Your 'facts' are all over the place today. former9thward Oct 2013 #104

Oh, that's right, there was no right to vote back then. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #107

It was an Obama appointee that defended the heavier sentence. former9thward Oct 2013 #125

what date were oral arguments? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #157

Link to her brief below. former9thward Nov 2013 #176

Are you aware that without the Southern states there would be sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #150

And perfect is the enemy of the good. zeemike Oct 2013 #110

I'm saying just because the packaging says justice geek tragedy Oct 2013 #112

The independent judiciary died decades ago. zeemike Oct 2013 #115

Where are you getting this stuff from? Have you read any of the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #169

What? The prosecution was tainted because he was railroaded. He did rhett o rick Oct 2013 #119

do you no longer support Obama arely staircase Nov 2013 #225

This just spoiled my day. beerandjesus Oct 2013 #8

The editorial (article) isn't correct. Please read the excerpts I posted later in the thread. nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #16

I Know Better than BillyRibs Oct 2013 #26

Somehow, I think that we need a different Democrat in the White House. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #10

And there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. Ha ha. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #23

These two agree with you, AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #33

No, I voted for Obama twice, so more likely geek tragedy Oct 2013 #35

Sure you did. I believe you. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #43

You have every reason to. Given your wish that Obama geek tragedy Oct 2013 #48

Your false words are your own. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #49

You said we need to replace Obama with a different Democrat. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #50

1) I did not say that. 2) There will be an election in 2016. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #52

What role do you think Obama had in the decision to prosecute Blagojevich? nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #56

I've never understood why people like you think any of this is funny. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #203

people who cry and fret because Obama is president make me laugh. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #204

You know who reminds me of teapartiers? People who are so politically deluded... Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #207

kind of like people who gloat when US servicepeople get traumatic brain injuries geek tragedy Nov 2013 #208

Even after all this time you still can't figure out what I meant. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #210

Oh, I understood exactly what you meant. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #211

Because Obama. cui bono Nov 2013 #209

Certain people have only shut up because of the new 5 hidden posts no posting rule. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #212

Yep. And because the rules are too specific and juries get caught up in the details cui bono Nov 2013 #214

Unbelievable leftstreet Oct 2013 #11

Yet Tom Delay walks around smiling and laughing Rex Oct 2013 #13

I call b.s. on that story. I'll reprint what I posted earlier, but Obama didn't ask for anything. okaawhatever Oct 2013 #14

+1 B Calm Oct 2013 #19

I call b.s. on the Obama admin for letting Sigelmann rot in jail. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #20

I wonder if Siegelman wants a pardon, or wants a new trial. If he's granted a new trial (Obama's okaawhatever Oct 2013 #37

Good comment on the case and the possibility of a new US Attorney sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #149

Took awhile but finally someone made a lot of sense.. busterbrown Oct 2013 #39

Yes we don't have a king. JEdwards8th Oct 2013 #168

Please repost as an OP n/t Flying Squirrel Oct 2013 #46

Why are you introducing sense... SidDithers Oct 2013 #58

What Seigelman continues to endure pisses me off to no end but I really appreciate arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #62

I've been reading a lot today to catch up on what is going on w/Seigelman's case and I've found okaawhatever Oct 2013 #114

Thank you so much! I look forward to your OP :) arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #136

There are a lot of people here who have no understanding of the difference between grantcart Oct 2013 #66

They can fire the Federal Prosecutor zipplewrath Oct 2013 #79

Thanks for providing People's Exhibit #1 grantcart Oct 2013 #109

Uh oh. You're in trouble. You've introduced facts into a year old smear campaign. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #101

Thanks. redqueen Oct 2013 #106

i have a lot of updating to do and will post an op later tonight. There have been some changes and I okaawhatever Oct 2013 #108

No, the article YOU cited is hardly a reliable account of what has transpired since 5/12/09 red dog 1 Oct 2013 #121

Fuck the Alabamanian Republicans. Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #130

Um...Buddha of Wisdom? truebluegreen Oct 2013 #170

Just frustrated... Buddha_of_Wisdom Nov 2013 #173

Yeah, I get it. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #183

****THX FOR THE TRUTH***** uponit7771 Nov 2013 #187

I thinks something stinks to high heavens here. avaistheone1 Oct 2013 #15

It's not the Obama administration, this article/editorial is full of crap. Obama didn't ask for okaawhatever Oct 2013 #21

One should read all the posts before coming to any conclusion.. busterbrown Oct 2013 #40

Can you provide some proof of this, along with names of who did it? Coyotl Oct 2013 #17

Pfft. That would get in the way of the Obama bashing! jeff47 Oct 2013 #29

Why? Is there some quid pro quo about which we don't know? Deny and Shred Oct 2013 #24

There is a lot of history to this case.....a lot. Big time gop operatives were behind this from the okaawhatever Oct 2013 #146

this is a real piece of shit article that deliberately misleads cali Oct 2013 #28

Yup and so many suck it up around here...N/t busterbrown Oct 2013 #34

Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for mentioning. nt okaawhatever Oct 2013 #38

You are a breath of fresh air on this link today.... busterbrown Oct 2013 #41

Op-Ed News is a domain that allows anyone to post anything, basically. Coyotl Oct 2013 #44

I agree. it's a particularly bad source. cali Oct 2013 #57

not true heaven05 Oct 2013 #30

Anyone got a mainstream source for this? KY5 Oct 2013 #31

How about Mimi Kennedy's article from the Huffington Post?.. Is it not "Well-sourced"? red dog 1 Oct 2013 #126

No, it isn't. Because it's wrong. jeff47 Oct 2013 #163

You have GOT to be fucking kidding me! MynameisBlarney Oct 2013 #32

This is consistent with the selective prosecution of Gov Blago after he took issue with the B of A. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #42

LMAO. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #55

What is it? Healthy living? Red Bull? great white snark Oct 2013 #122

The Google and a nose for bullshit. nt geek tragedy Oct 2013 #123

Oh please. Blago was a cheap crook pscot Oct 2013 #152

Huh? Blago was the only crook in Illinois politics? Or the only "cheap" crook in Illinois politics? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #159

Blago was a grifter, in the best Chicago style pscot Oct 2013 #162

In the "best Chicago style," even well-liked politicians don't tick off the big-money people. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #165

You need to back up this pile of BS with some facts. Coyotl Oct 2013 #45

OpEdNews.com eh? Capt. Obvious Oct 2013 #53

You won the thread. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #175

Yes! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #180

I hate Libertarians more than Republicans. stonecutter357 Oct 2013 #54

Yep, Repubs have grown up warped and Libertarians just refuse to grow up.. arthritisR_US Oct 2013 #67

The date on the tp link is June 2012. lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #64

isn`t that like over a year ago? madrchsod Oct 2013 #69

My goodness, you are right lostincalifornia Oct 2013 #81

Was there a shortage of Anti-Obama talking points this morning so you dredged this.... George II Oct 2013 #75

Author Andrew Kreig alert to new Alabama injustice and response to thread EagleViewDC Oct 2013 #76

Thanks for joining the thread. I don't think the Siegelman case can ever Autumn Oct 2013 #100

I have a question concerning the June 4th article cited in this thread. grantcart Oct 2013 #111

brad says 20 years questionseverything Oct 2013 #132

From 2009, a few weeks after Holder took office grantcart Oct 2013 #135

i can not speak for the op itself questionseverything Oct 2013 #142

The OP is highly misleading, quiting a recent DailyKos article about an action grantcart Oct 2013 #148

serving 20 years is misleading questionseverything Oct 2013 #151

I didn't respond to the treatment of Seigleman compared to Governor ultra sound grantcart Oct 2013 #153

fair enough questionseverything Oct 2013 #155

Just really unfortunate that he appointed Scrushy after he had faced Medicaid fraud charges grantcart Oct 2013 #160

link on the medicaid fraud charges pls questionseverything Nov 2013 #186

While he was acquitted on criminal charges he paid massive fines to the SEC and had to repay grantcart Nov 2013 #219

looks like all the same players questionseverything Nov 2013 #223

I applaud you for your enthusiastic and highly speculative defense of Scrushy grantcart Nov 2013 #224

posting a link looking at the "other" side is not enthusiastic questionseverything Nov 2013 #226

best documented race theft in country questionseverything Nov 2013 #189

Welcome to DU. zeemike Oct 2013 #113

Thanks for your reply, Andrew. red dog 1 Oct 2013 #131

Just another disappointment from Obama BlueJac Oct 2013 #78

It's worse than that to me. Does the punishment fit this crime??? tblue Oct 2013 #85

Because the machine grinds on, regardless of who holds office n/t me b zola Oct 2013 #86

So we are SOL, huh? tblue Oct 2013 #87

Somethings got to give for us to move out of where we are me b zola Oct 2013 #89

Obama sucks!!!111!1one Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2013 #91

How cool is it that the author of this piece is in your thread. Autumn Oct 2013 #102

Way cool! red dog 1 Oct 2013 #137

The responses in this thread are hilarious. "Fire the prosecutor". Anyone remember the DOJ purge.. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #103

new presidents are expected to fire the last questionseverything Oct 2013 #124

"new presidents are expected to fire the last admins attorneys". LINK????? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #128

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500486_162-2571144-500486.html questionseverything Oct 2013 #134

You said they were "expected" to. Is there a law? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #184

Since when are politician's choice of actions such as this legislated? cui bono Nov 2013 #201

Per usual, you didn't answer the question. SHOCKED!!!! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #202

I did answer it, but I guess all you can understand and absorb are simple yes/no cui bono Nov 2013 #205

"Are you ever polite in discussions?" There's no rule saying we have to interact. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #206

Track you down? Yeah, like that's what I live for. cui bono Nov 2013 #213

"He is a huge disappointment and has moved the country farther to the right" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #215

I'm not talking about elections, I'm talking about party stances/policies. cui bono Nov 2013 #220

"Put simply, Democrats are largely content with their own party" Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #227

Well when you just put a link to an OP that has a heading that isn't about our topic cui bono Nov 2013 #229

First of all, you can stop putting words in my mouth for a start. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #230

I'm not. You said you haved moved on from liberals. You stated in a post above you don't think of cui bono Nov 2013 #231

I did not say that I've "moved on". I said, perhaps "the party" has moved.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #232

You said "we've moved past you". Exact quote is in my post. cui bono Nov 2013 #233

OOO Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #235

So after all that we end up where we started. You not being able to have a mature discussion. cui bono Nov 2013 #236

Further proof that the acorn doesn't fall far from the Old Elm. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2013 #237

US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president. tritsofme Nov 2013 #234

It's been going on since Reagan MannyGoldstein Oct 2013 #138

That can only happen when a new US Attorney can be confirmed jeff47 Oct 2013 #164

incorrect questionseverything Nov 2013 #185

Nope. She resigned. jeff47 Nov 2013 #188

us attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president questionseverything Nov 2013 #190

Nope, they don't. jeff47 Nov 2013 #193

link pls questionseverything Nov 2013 #197

Yes, they do. US Attorneys can be removed at will by the President. eomer Nov 2013 #221

That changed with Obama. We'll see what the next President does. Coyotl Nov 2013 #216

what will happen then is rove will permanently stay questionseverything Nov 2013 #217

So, you edited the OP. Now edit the Obama bashing. Bash those who deserve it. Coyotl Oct 2013 #105

I didn't "edit" the OP...I ADDED to it. red dog 1 Oct 2013 #140

Well... jeff47 Oct 2013 #166

Something is extremely wrong here. What could possibly be the justification for this? nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #117

This is a story about something that happened in 2009 a few weeks after Holder was grantcart Oct 2013 #161

Why is Gov Siegelman still in prison? Cant the President get him out? This is clearly rhett o rick Oct 2013 #167

The question of a pardon for Siegelman would be a reasonable premise for an OP. grantcart Nov 2013 #171

Maybe the President will pardon Gov Siegelman at the same time he pardons Bush rhett o rick Nov 2013 #181

Why not just pardon him? madville Oct 2013 #133

Pardon/commutation are unrealistic without informed public outrage far greater than now EagleViewDC Oct 2013 #143

Like when Smirko pardoned Scooter Libby for outting Valerie Plame? Octafish Nov 2013 #222

Author Andrew Kreig again EagleViewDC Oct 2013 #139

+ 1000 red dog 1 Oct 2013 #141

Please clarify who requested the sentence increase. It's pretty sloppy journalism msanthrope Nov 2013 #177

The fan club is now defending Karl Rove. Doctor_J Nov 2013 #172

The rank and file at justice are all still Bush people DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #174

Thanks for this info red dog 1 Nov 2013 #198

Unrec...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #182

Because a right-wing Bush appointee named Alexander of the NSA puppets the president Jeffersons Ghost Nov 2013 #228