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28. "Make No Mistake™... only by ending confidentiality can we strengthen confidentiality"

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:13 AM

Nov 2013

"The American people should be assured that they are not being spied on. These are just some unintrusive common-sense steps that will help to ensure that we keep our nation safe from people who would complain about their government. Why, as I was telling Michelle last week while we were using toothbrushes to clean mildew from the grout in the White House bathtub..."

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I hate to repeat a post, but the latest NSA revelations are more profound than I can describe [View all] Recursion Nov 2013 OP

Thank you, I quite agree. bemildred Nov 2013 #1

The ABILITY to eavesdrop hasn't been my main concern... Pholus Nov 2013 #2

I actually think the metadata thing was them going out of their way. joshcryer Nov 2013 #5

Naw...consider their history! Metadata was a baby step. Pholus Nov 2013 #15

I'm going to make an admission no one would like. joshcryer Nov 2013 #19

Great post. Hopefully more people will read it... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #61

Completely agreed. Pholus Nov 2013 #64

The NSA has infiltrated TOR, too, so be aware. joshcryer Nov 2013 #66

"..The leaked documents.." which at this point could be coming from anywhere uponit7771 Nov 2013 #3

I knew SSL was compromised when they had REAL TIME FACEBOOK CHATS. joshcryer Nov 2013 #4

OK, so what are you bemoaning? intaglio Nov 2013 #6

I think it's more the fact that Google's top tech guys weren't aware. joshcryer Nov 2013 #7

Google's "tech guys" will have been well aware. intaglio Nov 2013 #10

I'd bet the Congress gives retroactive immunity. joshcryer Nov 2013 #13

Recursion doesn't stir up paranoia BainsBane Nov 2013 #8

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #30

The military uses the Internet for secret and even top secret communications. RC Nov 2013 #33

K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #9

The unethical experiments are now one reason that any researcher davidpdx Nov 2013 #14

From what I can tell (which isn't a lot) he's surprised at the capability BainsBane Nov 2013 #17

^^^ That Recursion Nov 2013 #41

Ethics flew out of the window Aerows Nov 2013 #49

Reading further, it appears Google wasn't encrypting internal traffic. joshcryer Nov 2013 #11

So are you saying NSA injected and "dejected" SSL on a plaintext stream? Recursion Nov 2013 #36

SSL was used from client->Google. joshcryer Nov 2013 #63

Fake clients, identity theft, pretending to be you and taking your stuff. bemildred Nov 2013 #65

All that's happening is that we're being informed about what's going on. delrem Nov 2013 #12

Thank You For Sharing And Expanding Your Perspective cantbeserious Nov 2013 #16

A conspiracy has Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #18

Another oddly framed mea culpa. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #20

Ditto Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #21

+1 Rex Nov 2013 #52

Frome the Article: KoKo Nov 2013 #22

You know why Greenwald did not lead with this. Anything he did lead with was going to be Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #23

It's funny how some around here were saying "GREENWALD AIN'T GOT SHIT bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #24

Hell, the 'Oh my God I found out Greenwald is gay' OP's go back to 2011, long before Snowden Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #25

I guess this confirms that our wager has been cancelled. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #26

Our wager was the "hypothetical pie in the sky" I mentioned, which I now admit exists Recursion Nov 2013 #35

Yep Aerows Nov 2013 #47

Thank you....for the record, we never did make that wager DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #60

I agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #27

"Make No Mistake™... only by ending confidentiality can we strengthen confidentiality" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #28

Welcome to this side of the fence. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #29

Marcy Wheeler has been working in this area too. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #31

You should assume that if it doesn't violate the laws of physics and is located outside the US... jeff47 Nov 2013 #32

Huh? Aerows Nov 2013 #37

It's always fun when people read things that aren't actually there jeff47 Nov 2013 #39

I quoted you Aerows Nov 2013 #43

And then you promptly launched into a discussion of something not in that quote. jeff47 Nov 2013 #45

Explain in 5 letters or less Aerows Nov 2013 #46

Perhaps you could explain the need to mirror it internationally jeff47 Nov 2013 #48

Uh-huh Aerows Nov 2013 #50

Yep, keep desperately trying to deflect jeff47 Nov 2013 #53

Another hint Aerows Nov 2013 #54

"Because instead of maintaining the servers, I write software for them" Aerows Nov 2013 #55

So we should trust your IT skills when you can't find the edit post link? jeff47 Nov 2013 #57

53? Aerows Nov 2013 #58

Apology Accepted hootinholler Nov 2013 #34

While Greenwald posting this first might have swayed you.. SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #38

good point questionseverything Nov 2013 #56

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #40

Kick LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #42

Look above Aerows Nov 2013 #44

thank Recursion! my own mea culpa nashville_brook Nov 2013 #51

Look it... ReRe Nov 2013 #59

When this story broke some here were not surprised that intellengence agencies might be overstepping rhett o rick Nov 2013 #62