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21. uhh.. he had time to retrieve his own weapon and get the drop on two people with drawn guns?

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:45 PM

Nov 2013

and we're supposed to think this was self-defense?

methinks the dead guys might have had a slightly different version of events, and "flashed" guns might be a clue.

they were probably openly carrying, which is pretty much the norm in south texas, and that's about it.

maybe they threatened, but there doesn't seem to be any evidence to support that.

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WTF? Texas homeowner kills 2 who asked about roosters [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

Moar guns. nt onehandle Nov 2013 #1

More like a legitimate self defense shooting. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #3

Says the person who did the killing. Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #7

Says the peliminary info. so far. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #9

Dead men tell no tales. n/t Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #11

Forensic and physical evidence does though. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #12

And what was the conclusion of the forensic pathologist and the detectives? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #18

No idea, the investigation has just begun. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #22

lol. more nonsense. lots of people aren't arrested right away who are guilty cali Nov 2013 #31

Of course I'm assuming he's innocent, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #34

FWIW, it took weeks of national media pressure before Zimmerman's arrest... Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #104

Ranchemp defending another murderer? Color me shocked. EOTE Nov 2013 #43

EOTE declaring someone a murderer before the investigation is complete? Color me shocked. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #47

You've said that preliminary (that's how you spell it, btw) information suggests he's innocent. EOTE Nov 2013 #56

Thank you for continuing to prove my point made in post 52. nt. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #60

I'm afraid you haven't come close to making a point as of yet. EOTE Nov 2013 #64

Wow, so much fail is so little time. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #61

Yeah, you must be so busy with your law enforcement work. EOTE Nov 2013 #62

Ooooh, now the insults. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #67

Yeah, the insults. EOTE Nov 2013 #68

Ok. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #70

When upholding the ideal of "innocent until proven guilty" equates with... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #52

Uhhh, you do know that internet posters are not a court of law? EOTE Nov 2013 #59

I didn't realize basic ethical principles were only valid or necessary in a court of law. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #66

The presumption of innocence is a legal term. EOTE Nov 2013 #74

So because he isn't willing to call him guilty, then he is a right wing authoritarian... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #85

No, because he's willing to say it's self defense while knowing nothing of the case. EOTE Nov 2013 #86

He's saying until further evidence is provided, he is innocent until proven guilty in his book eqfan592 Nov 2013 #88

Really? You're a mind reader or something? Or perhaps part of the crew? EOTE Nov 2013 #89

Try reading the VERY NEXT POST HE MADE. eqfan592 Nov 2013 #91

The preliminary information provided by the killer? EOTE Nov 2013 #94

Two people flashing guns at somebody isn't justifiable to you? eqfan592 Nov 2013 #97

Again, we're solely talking about the killer's words here. EOTE Nov 2013 #98

That's exactly what I'm saying, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #90

say what? what the heck does "flashed" guns even mean? cali Nov 2013 #10

Flashing guns usually means that the weapon was deployed Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #15

bullshit. make crap up much? cali Nov 2013 #24

It's a common LEO term. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #28

you provide no links. sorry your word doesn't cut it. cali Nov 2013 #33

As I said, it's a common LEO term, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #36

I always thought it just meant revealing it maxsolomon Nov 2013 #35

Not always, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #37

LEOs need to get it together maxsolomon Nov 2013 #39

So two guys flash guns mikeysnot Nov 2013 #44

See post #30. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #53

me bets the guy mikeysnot Nov 2013 #55

It's quite obvious that a killer will always claim self defense. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #92

Of course, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #95

The headline makes it sound like the homeowner shot the 2 because Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #2

The story and the headline don't quite match up. davepc Nov 2013 #4

what does "flashed" guns mean? witnesses? why were the bodies found where they were cali Nov 2013 #13

Not sure what the location of the bodies has to do with whether or not it was self defense hack89 Nov 2013 #20

ludicrous scenario. yeah, sure two gunmen intent on robbery are going to let cali Nov 2013 #25

Prisons are full of stupid criminals hack89 Nov 2013 #27

No more and no less than life outside of prison is filled with stupid innocent people. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #82

So there are plenty of stupid people doing stupid things in the world hack89 Nov 2013 #84

Don't wast your time with this one. mikeysnot Nov 2013 #46

yes, because criminals doing something stupid NEVER happens. nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #73

Well, all I got to say about Texas is The Straight Story Nov 2013 #5

Right back at ya. Ishoutandscream2 Nov 2013 #96

we're here "about some roosters" maxsolomon Nov 2013 #6

Yup...they "flashed" guns... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #8

Could be, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #17

now that makes sense. cali Nov 2013 #14

There is big money in cockfighting hack89 Nov 2013 #16

That was my first thought too, and it seems reasonable, except that petronius Nov 2013 #19

"Trevino says the roosters were apparently fighting cocks." Go Vols Nov 2013 #76

roosters have utility beyond cockfighting, and they're quite common in texas. unblock Nov 2013 #23

uhh.. he had time to retrieve his own weapon and get the drop on two people with drawn guns? unblock Nov 2013 #21

huh? Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #26

sorry i didn't mean to include the local wal-mart unblock Nov 2013 #57

horsehockey Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #72

i lived in austin for 7 years, spent a lot of time in san marcos with family, unblock Nov 2013 #83

LMAO!! Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #87

i don't know who you're arguing with, but it isn't me. unblock Nov 2013 #93

Yea Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #100

not my family, no unblock Nov 2013 #101

What if these two rooster-buyers were good guys with guns just exercising their 2nd Ad. rights? Ian David Nov 2013 #29

Retrieved could also mean that he retrieved it from his holster/pocket/..... Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #30

it's probably cop speak maxsolomon Nov 2013 #38

You're probably correct, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #40

Tying yourself into knots you are. mikeysnot Nov 2013 #58

If you say so. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #63

Yes, I just did. mikeysnot Nov 2013 #65

Ok. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #69

You're welcome! mikeysnot Nov 2013 #75

Ok. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #78

ok mikeysnot Nov 2013 #80

Guns make us safe! Rex Nov 2013 #32

The gun the homeowner had seems to have helped him out. Jenoch Nov 2013 #42

What debate? Rex Nov 2013 #45

Didn't you notice the people bickering back and forth? Jenoch Nov 2013 #48

No I didn't look really just posted how safe guns make people. Rex Nov 2013 #50

I have lived with guns my entire life. I feel quite safe with them. Jenoch Nov 2013 #54

Yes, because banning drugs completely got rid of all drugs... eqfan592 Nov 2013 #71

Woah, slow down there...you are the one bringing up banning guns. Rex Nov 2013 #79

there are quite a few details cali Nov 2013 #49

"Show me your cock" Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #41

SMH Mr Dixon Nov 2013 #51

poor title to the story. bullshit. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #77

There are a SHIT LOAD of blanks that need to be filled in here. bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #81

two words d_r Nov 2013 #99

Gun-fuckers, yeah! Iggo Nov 2013 #102

this story doesn't begin to add up Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #103

classic DU thread arely staircase Nov 2013 #105

yeah, but it happened in Texas... that's all we need to know! DontTreadOnMe Nov 2013 #106

On a political discussion board, ronnie624 Nov 2013 #107