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75. it's not that sly

Reply to trumad (Reply #67)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:42 PM

Nov 2013

that would assume the OP is clever in some way instead of transparent as all fuck.

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As President, FDR oversaw the most extensive bombing of civilian [View all] MineralMan Oct 2013 OP

Also, the internment of Japanese-Americans was awful and incredibly racist Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #1

Indeed it was. But, I was only discussing the bombing MineralMan Oct 2013 #5

Another interesting fact I found out recently Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #10

That is correct. However, it wasn't apparently enough to cause MineralMan Oct 2013 #16

I think it was fire bombing actually Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #93

As War, II sucked leftstreet Oct 2013 #2

No, but Zombie FDR gets held up as some kind of superhero who would have geek tragedy Oct 2013 #6

He was an accidental 'hero' to the working classes leftstreet Oct 2013 #12

every president is a product of his political environment. geek tragedy Oct 2013 #15

And FDR probably understood the politics of the day (the people) better that any president has, indepat Oct 2013 #52

Politically, FDR had it easier than any other president, given geek tragedy Oct 2013 #54

Amen. Plus the depression made people desperate enough treestar Nov 2013 #90

He had fierce pressure from the left, moreso than from the right. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #91

^^ this ^^ - nt TBF Oct 2013 #63

Exactly. treestar Nov 2013 #89

The right wing has a recently stepped up propaganda program going on to discredit the New Deal and Zorra Oct 2013 #8

That is IT right there in a nutshell Zorra. Rex Oct 2013 #17

+1 leftstreet Oct 2013 #21

^^^^^^^^This is the correct answer.^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2013 #32

that is the correct call out to this thread. nt xchrom Oct 2013 #56

Yep. More manipulative bullshit... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2013 #61

Agreed. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #86

and lo and behold, the Fan Club brings it to DU Doctor_J Nov 2013 #100

FDR is held up by some as a paragon of progressivism. MineralMan Oct 2013 #9

The policies, not the person n/t leftstreet Oct 2013 #14

Yes, and the policies included inflicting mass civilian MineralMan Oct 2013 #18

I've never seen his war policies 'lionized' here leftstreet Oct 2013 #20

Seems to drive people up the wall. Rex Oct 2013 #22

The rest of that adminstration's actions are simply not mentioned. MineralMan Oct 2013 #23

Has any war NOT sucked? karynnj Oct 2013 #11

And FDR helped lay the groundwork for the UN Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #74

I have that stamp. Canceled, of course. N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #87

War is war. How war is defined is always a function of the time that it is bluestate10 Nov 2013 #102

War is a crime. That's the nature of War. The act of War is a Crime el_bryanto Oct 2013 #3

I would say he had no other options, actually. MineralMan Oct 2013 #7

I think when people compare presidents they are comparing character rather than programs el_bryanto Oct 2013 #13

Character. Yes. As I said, FDR's economic policies were strongly MineralMan Oct 2013 #19

Why is it important? What is the value of it? el_bryanto Oct 2013 #29

"Fair and Balanced?" Rex Oct 2013 #35

for the win frylock Oct 2013 #71

'when it came to making war, he was not any sort of pacifist.' Rex Oct 2013 #4

You find that amusing? MineralMan Oct 2013 #24

Looks like fluff I would see on a 10th grade history test. Rex Oct 2013 #33

That's gonna leave a mark! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #64

Had he implented pacificist policies following Dec. 7th, 1941, he would have been impeached. Poddy Fries Oct 2013 #25

I doubt the idea of not pursuing war ever entered his mind, frankly. MineralMan Oct 2013 #27

The sentence itself is pure fluff. Rex Oct 2013 #39

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #50

Is FDR saying he's going to run against Hillary? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #26

I don't believe that would be possible, actually. MineralMan Oct 2013 #30

Obama walked back from bombing Syria RobertEarl Oct 2013 #40

Yes, he did. And that was an excellent decision on his part. MineralMan Oct 2013 #42

Why did we not stop Bush? RobertEarl Oct 2013 #47

No, Obama is not a Pacifist. MineralMan Oct 2013 #49

The bashing of FDR seems to be a thing Centrists do when prepping for a big election. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #72

War is evil whether it is justified or not. hrmjustin Oct 2013 #28

I'd certainly agree with you there. MineralMan Oct 2013 #31

FDR had a Congressional Declaration of War Fumesucker Oct 2013 #34

No wait...I thought FDR declared war and forced us into WWII. Rex Oct 2013 #38

Ancient history, as dead and gone as Carthage Fumesucker Oct 2013 #43

Ah the days of Antiquities. Rex Oct 2013 #45

Those are Greecian soldiers. Hopolites. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #92

Actually is it a cartoon of Roman soldiers. Rex Nov 2013 #97

Both Romans and Greeks used spears. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #103

No it is Roman, notice the sword, it is not a glade like the Greeks use. Rex Nov 2013 #106

The cartoon sword is too long to be a gladius. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #107

No sorry but they are not Hopilites or Greeks. Rex Nov 2013 #109

I think I am coming from the same place as you since we are about the same age. My parents, who jwirr Oct 2013 #36

No one becomes president who... RobertEarl Oct 2013 #37

tell it to the Marines datasuspect Oct 2013 #41

Have you seen the movie? MineralMan Oct 2013 #44

i read about it datasuspect Oct 2013 #53

It is available on DVD. MineralMan Oct 2013 #57

for an optimistic take on the world: Peace Is Increasing / Prof. Joshua S. Goldstein Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 #46

Yes the bombings were awful, as was the Japanese internment Dpm12 Oct 2013 #48

I didn't just pick out those. In fact, I referred to his economic MineralMan Oct 2013 #51

Oh, I know he signed the internment into law because he agreed with it Dpm12 Oct 2013 #55

Accurate perspective: FDR was a great president, maybe the best. MrTriumph Oct 2013 #58

Not if you were a citizen of MineralMan Oct 2013 #59

He won the fucking war of wars.... trumad Oct 2013 #60

Nice, trumad... MineralMan Oct 2013 #65

Oh fuck Zombie Jesus.... trumad Oct 2013 #66

Always a surprise... MineralMan Oct 2013 #68

Yeah well there's a couch over there if you need it. trumad Oct 2013 #69

Your utter and complete lack of context regarding kratos00 Nov 2013 #105

It's so easy to sit back in our armchairs in 2013 ruminating Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #62

Not really hard for people who want to slyly diss one of our great Democratic Presidents. trumad Oct 2013 #67

it's not that sly datasuspect Nov 2013 #75

Thanks Hitler and Tojo Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #80

have you ever even read a bio of FDR? Somehow it doesn't seem like it. cali Oct 2013 #70

Of course I have. MineralMan Nov 2013 #96

The mass bombings of civilians in WWII... MicaelS Oct 2013 #73

In 1940 and 41 trumad Nov 2013 #79

More than one million people were killed each month MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #76

Yes, many things are done in wartime that cause harm to innocent MineralMan Nov 2013 #77

Your choice of subject line is interesting: MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #85

I believe that FDR was one of the best Presidents the US MineralMan Nov 2013 #88

manny -- i love ya -- but please don't buy into feeding this shit. xchrom Nov 2013 #78

Yup, a great President who caused the death of more civilians than any other. great white snark Nov 2013 #81

Accurate analysis, well said. Zorra Nov 2013 #82

Bingo! Rex Nov 2013 #84

Enough is enough. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #83

When our local Birchers would bash FDR, my father would say 'look out, when they attack FDR Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #94

The New Deal was of huge benefit to the nation. MineralMan Nov 2013 #95

I see that your critique of FDR has left out kratos00 Nov 2013 #98

Do you believe that smearing FDR elevates Obama some how? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #99

Egad....Egad! Are you claiming FDR was not flawless? nt bluestate10 Nov 2013 #101

We all know that history. I was born 1946. upaloopa Nov 2013 #104

OMG! He was Worse than the Bushies! or Johnson! KoKo Nov 2013 #108