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MADem

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79. That's just NOT true. You have reading skills, you can read a bill as well as anyone else.

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:09 PM

Nov 2013

Don't cry that you didn't know what was in it when you didn't read it when it was on the floor.

That's excuse-making.

We're hearing from a few groups now--aside from the GOP "If Obama likes it, it sucks" bunch, there's the "Single Payer or Bust" crowd (they don't factor in how much THAT would cost when they insist it would be "better&quot and the Libertarian "I don't want to help my neighbor" fellows.

This is the best we're gonna get for now. It's a long road. I think the fact that millions who couldn't get decent medical care now can is a BIG deal and a good start. And here's the irony there--I have TRICARE (and despite the fact that I was "promised" that it would be "free for life" it isn't--I have to kick in for PRIME, and anything less than that is like being uninsured, damn near).

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I wish people wouldn't be so rude to those who lose out under the ACA. [View all] Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #1

Like this thread ---I supported the ACA, but my policy that I like is being cancelled because of it warrant46 Nov 2013 #37

Cool story, bro robbob Nov 2013 #103

If only we could have your duct tape we could fix a lot of things. L0oniX Nov 2013 #339

Hmm. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #129

Many DUer's wanted to help DanM or understand his situation, however Fla Dem Nov 2013 #205

exactly (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #211

Which helpful ones? Union Scribe Nov 2013 #322

Horshit I offered nicely and gave suggestions he hit and ran a typical example of false flag... Drew Richards Nov 2013 #368

And he will only share basic details about the policy with his friends. He only came to DU to... valerief Nov 2013 #330

If that person is that bad warrant46 Nov 2013 #347

Hear, hear. 1000words Nov 2013 #2

That very small segment of the population will be negatively adversely. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #3

Certainly outlets like Fox News are elevating these people, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #10

Which Anthem Lumenos policy? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #11

They are all being discontinued. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #25

What if you got sick or injured? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

Ideally with the premiums being so low you would be able to save in an HSA. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #51

That's not nearly ACA compliant though. Not a mere difference geek tragedy Nov 2013 #61

That was just the highest OOP Lumenos policy. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #82

How many people have tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in a HSA? wryter2000 Nov 2013 #120

The idea is that you build it up over time. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #131

I'd be interested in seeing the math on that wryter2000 Nov 2013 #154

There are HSA plans in the ACA exchange. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #182

That kind of misses the point hueymahl Nov 2013 #140

All policies have to provide certain benefits to be sold in the ACA national exchange. The Wielding Truth Nov 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #23

they are ALSO the people most in need of insurance.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #50

You have to provide more information.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #56

when I worked I made that amount. I could not afford to pay that much a month. How can anyone roguevalley Nov 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #68

But then you have no insurance. Nt onlyadream Nov 2013 #333

That is a good question to start asking State Governors! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #244

No they aren't....most didn't expand Medicaid! Thats where the hole is... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #255

thank you, lost. I have tried to get people's attention on this several times on DU. antigop Nov 2013 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #248

I know quite a few couples who fall in this category. NOT HAPPY. nt antigop Nov 2013 #251

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #260

I expected to pay more. Which I did not have a problem with. Glassunion Nov 2013 #24

Have you checked the exchange and told your Insurance company you were considering leaving.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #34

It's not so much the premiums, those are great. Glassunion Nov 2013 #59

Because its more comprehensive coverage... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #266

Believe it or not, some people don['t want the minimum bells and whistles. Maybe they don't need eye WinkyDink Nov 2013 #295

believe it or not.....Most people don't know what they need... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #301

it may be arrogant...but it IS true... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #302

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #304

Well the states that didn't expand...will at some point get pressured by their VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #306

No actually I am not. Glassunion Nov 2013 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #264

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Men under 50 are affected adversely. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #70

everyone on that chart combined =6% of the population geek tragedy Nov 2013 #115

"very small" <> "of no consequence" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #121

"While those folks count, so do everyone else." = "While those folks count, so do everyone else." nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #127

Every human being matters, especially when they are sick. To dismiss sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #315

Muddling new social contract with personal insurance policies = a crucible for misunderstanding HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #4

Perfectly accurate and eloquently stated. Scuba Nov 2013 #29

Saving 45,000 Americans from dying each year is not a "chimera." nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #78

But the confusion is a pretty direct result of muddling. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #92

I think your post adds to the muddling. If you like the ACA, then why are you knocking it? SunSeeker Nov 2013 #100

You are, of course, entitled to whatever thoughts you can muster HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #105

Sorry that I was not as impressed with your word salad as some here. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #113

Anti-intellectualism is a basic feature of internet groups...I'm beyond it. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #117

There is no anti-intellectualism on DU that I can see. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #133

I use the word chimera and you complain HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #157

Pointing out that the ACA will save 45,000 Americans each year is not "ignorant cheerleading." SunSeeker Nov 2013 #175

Except it is a non sequitur...but that's word salad, so Never Mind! HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #180

Agreed. Wait Wut Nov 2013 #5

I don't agree with you much. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #6

one of the things that makes DU suck... mike_c Nov 2013 #7

It isn't limited to ACA 1000words Nov 2013 #8

yes, you're right.... mike_c Nov 2013 #16

Bullying is a good word for it. kiawah Nov 2013 #26

Fortunately, bullies are cowards leftstreet Nov 2013 #38

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning 1000words Nov 2013 #171

Asking for details is bullying? And when they're not provided, questioning the motive of the poster valerief Nov 2013 #332

It isn't even limited to one side of the ACA ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #267

It's very "interesting," though, when DUers with very low post counts make these assertions. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #12

you might recall that we've actually had "campaigns" on DU... mike_c Nov 2013 #22

the level of acrimony has increased exponentially warrant46 Nov 2013 #57

This happened to me onlyadream Nov 2013 #67

Also happened to me. Thirties Child Nov 2013 #141

I lived over there for many years OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #328

I remember those days. enlightenment Nov 2013 #98

Well Egnever Nov 2013 #316

Oh yeah kenfrequed Nov 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #31

Without a doubt, plus BlueStreak Nov 2013 #192

Those people need to be told to look at ways to lower their AGI. It can be done and it is not MADem Nov 2013 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #243

Most people living hand to mouth qualify for subsidies. MADem Nov 2013 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #298

People living hand-to-mouth don't have to juggle. They're inside the lines, unless they're MADem Nov 2013 #299

the pitchfork brigade prefers to stifle non-conforming people via threat and accusation. nt msongs Nov 2013 #18

wow...and now when they get sick...they can actually go to a doctor... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

Self-righteous bullying. Some will decide they represent the side of righteousness rhett o rick Nov 2013 #177

Yet a successful pecwae Nov 2013 #326

Are there any posts with *actual* details about the old policy and valerief Nov 2013 #331

ultimately, I don't think it makes any difference.... mike_c Nov 2013 #341

GD isn't a therapy group. It's where information, not feelings, are shared. nt valerief Nov 2013 #342

sure, but HOW people choose to do that says a lot about their character.... mike_c Nov 2013 #343

Disinformation campaigns suck more. nt valerief Nov 2013 #344

do you seriously think that "disinformation campaigns" about the ACA... mike_c Nov 2013 #345

DU posts come up on google searches. They bring a person to DU. Why else would trollers post here? valerief Nov 2013 #346

damn. You are going on ignore. You are obviously a person I don't care to hear from. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #355

Bookmarking 1000words Nov 2013 #369

This has been happening to me cilla4progress Nov 2013 #353

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #9

A major issue I have is employer provided insurance precluding eligibility for subsidies. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #13

Yep, that is a horrible bug in the law, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #21

It was written as a feature not a bug when we had a Democratic House. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #172

We had a democratic house when this kludge was passed Doctor_J Nov 2013 #321

Go to the exchange...price comparison...take that back to your current insurer. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43

What would I do with that? Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #71

if that company changes ANYTHING in your plan...you can go to the exchange. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #77

I think we'll see working-class employers start dropping family policies lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #93

In the same boat aroach Nov 2013 #240

+1 SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #14

Agreed. Throd Nov 2013 #15

I usually stay out of those threads... whttevrr Nov 2013 #17

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #35

+1 VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #44

My first look at this for my daughter is that this is actually worse for her... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #19

OH yes she does... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

The Kaiser site doesn't indicate anywhere - I suspect she should get some kind... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #49

Plug it in yourself here: VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #52

that's what I used...results below. bad news. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #55

Not medicaid....SUBSIDIES... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #62

so where is that number? there is no other way to run the calculator... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #66

It's right there in words, subsidies are for those making between 100 and 400 times poverty level Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #91

Sorry I overlooked that part.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #97

just amazing. I know there must be countless people in her situation - it is not nearly a living NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #164

this is not a person who can afford to live by themselves in an apartment... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #75

she is 28 and living with a friend - we are helping her with rent. she can't even afford all of NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #80

So her MAGI is $8,700 aproximately? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #87

yup. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #88

is she going to school? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #112

No - she's had a tough life - overcome an eating disorder, really doing as well as possible NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #119

Maybe she should be thinking of disability? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #282

Not if the state declined medicaid expansion Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #280

At this point she's being asked to estimate her 2014 wages lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #53

grocery store part time - her salary has been flat for 3 years. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #58

If you estimate too low, the worst case scenario is that she'll have to repay the tax credit... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #83

They would not penalize her for estimating her income too high, only too low. stevenleser Nov 2013 #155

thanks. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #162

isnt that fraud? questionseverything Nov 2013 #202

The government itself has said it would not consider it as such. There is documentation. stevenleser Nov 2013 #300

technically it does because it makes them eligible questionseverything Nov 2013 #309

No it doesn't, technically or otherwise because those enforcing it said so. stevenleser Nov 2013 #317

confusing handmade34 Nov 2013 #54

it is really confusing - I ran the Kaiser thing - see above NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #60

That's the Medicaid Gap. 7% of those in that gap live in North Carolina Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #65

yes, it is all quite sad. NC is just tossing people under the bus at an alarming rate these days. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #72

I have many friends there. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #95

I got my dad into growing heirloom tomatoes about 5 years before he passed away - NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #106

This. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #99

She would have qualified for Medicaid if NC hadn't opted out. subterranean Nov 2013 #110

I know...so frustrating. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #114

This was because of the Supreme Court ruling, was it not? killbotfactory Nov 2013 #292

Yes, it was. subterranean Nov 2013 #311

She qualifies for Medicaid, but if the state didn't extend it, she should also be able to get a Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #293

It's an attitude I've seen on the H-1b visa issue jon10 Nov 2013 #20

cool OP, bro hfojvt Nov 2013 #28

Likewise, how can we distinguish the phony people who just SAY they are winning? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #74

I wish people wouldn't be coy about providing their details when they claim they are losing out MADem Nov 2013 #32

I wish the Democrats had been a little less coy leftstreet Nov 2013 #48

That's just NOT true. You have reading skills, you can read a bill as well as anyone else. MADem Nov 2013 #79

That's the ticket! Bash working class people! leftstreet Nov 2013 #94

Let's make some shit up, now, shall we? That IS what you're doing. MADem Nov 2013 #111

You're blaming people for not understanding ACA leftstreet Nov 2013 #126

You haven't even tried to understand it. You haven't read it. And what is "cruel" are your MADem Nov 2013 #138

I meant new users here leftstreet Nov 2013 #143

Well, if you "understand it quite well," why don't you be a GOOD DUer, and HELP PEOPLE OUT MADem Nov 2013 #167

yeah, yeah whatever n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #258

Figures. Thanks for proving my point. nt MADem Nov 2013 #285

saying "Leader Pelosi" sounds north koreanish datasuspect Nov 2013 #187

YUCK? Are you completely unaware of Hill protocol? MADem Nov 2013 #198

no thanks! datasuspect Nov 2013 #201

Well, the term is a common one--if you ever get over your reticence and visit the Hill, MADem Nov 2013 #207

i'd rather be around human beings datasuspect Nov 2013 #210

Well, aren't you a charming bundle of bias! MADem Nov 2013 #213

10 roger on that one datasuspect Nov 2013 #215

Thank you for posting this. historylovr Nov 2013 #39

Well Said! cer7711 Nov 2013 #41

THANK YOU onlyadream Nov 2013 #42

more details please... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #47

Seriously???? onlyadream Nov 2013 #104

Are you making less than 400% of the poverty level for a family of 4? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #107

I said what we make. onlyadream Nov 2013 #109

OMG..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #124

Don't judge me onlyadream Nov 2013 #142

Lower your AGI. MADem Nov 2013 #203

Can't say that I didn't wonder about that onlyadream Nov 2013 #229

If you lower your AGI, you qualify for the subsidies, that's the point I'm making. nt MADem Nov 2013 #286

From what I am figuring... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #134

Wrong onlyadream Nov 2013 #149

no I don't actually...You make EXACTLY $100,000 is that what you are saying? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #165

Oh here we go onlyadream Nov 2013 #170

You are still in the 20th percentile... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #216

Yes I know. onlyadream Nov 2013 #220

Oy. onlyadream Nov 2013 #193

You are fortunate enough to be one of the 20th percentile... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #223

I guess we just can't agree onlyadream Nov 2013 #233

and that is not true. $573 a month for the Bronze plan. $690 for the Silver Plan..or VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #234

I don't know what your looking at. onlyadream Nov 2013 #249

Kasier Calculator... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #256

Still less than 10% of the $8333 you make per month. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #259

People who make 100k do not get to keep all of it. onlyadream Nov 2013 #272

No one keeps all of it...that is not JUST YOU! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #273

because Insurance is a GROUP thing.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #274

I make considerably less than you...will not get a subsidy...and I am not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #276

Okay, you win onlyadream Nov 2013 #283

LOL OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #334

So true... cilla4progress Nov 2013 #359

You might as well talk to a brick. ctsnowman Nov 2013 #319

Don't bother a2liberal Nov 2013 #324

I'm sure you don't believe that copays can be 50% onlyadream Nov 2013 #257

Max out of pocket for 4 people is $12,000 VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #261

Do you want to see the policy I had? onlyadream Nov 2013 #268

No way! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #270

according to your "Long Island" cost of living expenses... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #271

Without health insurance, VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #265

I can understand you onlyadream. michaz Nov 2013 #288

I understand LI... my family is still there. druidity33 Nov 2013 #329

Hey only - want you to know, cilla4progress Nov 2013 #358

and I just left a job where I was paid $30,000 a year with an insurance deductible for VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #178

if you are making 30 grand a year questionseverything Nov 2013 #241

I said WAS....not IS... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #242

whats long island zip pls? questionseverything Nov 2013 #278

I didn't say I had a problem with the 20%....I was pointing out a fact.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #279

.... questionseverything Nov 2013 #284

Plus deductibles and co-pays. progressoid Nov 2013 #150

You make over $100K and you want sympathy because your costs went up a little? philosslayer Nov 2013 #181

It's not a contest about who has it worse onlyadream Nov 2013 #208

No copay or deductible and half the cost of an ACA plan? Bullshit. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #122

I think you missed the part where all sick visits are out of pocket. onlyadream Nov 2013 #217

Oh, so you didn't actually have insurance, just something that pretended geek tragedy Nov 2013 #226

It worked for us onlyadream Nov 2013 #230

Faithfully proving the OP's point. morningfog Nov 2013 #352

Pretty sad that's what you consider a clever insult. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #362

What's sad is your perpetual rudeness. morningfog Nov 2013 #364

your sense of decorum is impeccable, on the other hand nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #365

Hilarious coming from a member of the very small club morningfog Nov 2013 #366

Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #45

I think there will be quite a few people volunteering for a pay cut Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #73

Some. Perhaps. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #86

Well.... you may not want the boss to see just how smoothly things run without you. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #118

I am the boss and I'm gratified to see how smoothly things run without me lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #123

Thank you. Myrina Nov 2013 #63

+1 Rex Nov 2013 #64

If you are going to post a personal anecdote, then some corroborating details should be ok scheming daemons Nov 2013 #69

+1 SunSeeker Nov 2013 #85

But unless you post a notarized W2, it's not really "corroborated", is it? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #108

Sure it is. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #116

Well, I posted screen shots and am still called a liar. onlyadream Nov 2013 #335

Obamacare is a wealth transfer from healthy and middle class to the sick and poor. FarCenter Nov 2013 #76

Society is SUPPOSED to be a wealth transfer from the haves to the have nots. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #89

Good luck with that as the Democratic platform for 2014 FarCenter Nov 2013 #168

society is supposed to make benefit to the common weal datasuspect Nov 2013 #176

The 1% is always supportive of wealth redistribution in order to tamp down social unrest FarCenter Nov 2013 #188

the 1% is supportive of wealth redistribution to the 1% datasuspect Nov 2013 #190

That too, but I was thinking of the Democratic 1%ers like the Kennedys, FDR, etc. FarCenter Nov 2013 #197

FDR was a class traitor, kennedy was an affront to the "dignity" of regressives everywhere datasuspect Nov 2013 #200

FDR preserved the plutocracy; you haven't seen the Kennedys give away their fortunes FarCenter Nov 2013 #218

FDR's policies datasuspect Nov 2013 #222

The 'redistribution of wealth' talking point from an ACA basher. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #132

+1 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #146

That's what real societies do. The one's that last, anyway. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #144

We ask less of our rich (including corporations) than virtually any other nation on earth. Romulox Nov 2013 #147

I'm no fan of the ACA, but this "wealth transfer" bullshit is laughable. Maedhros Nov 2013 #163

What's wrong with that particularly treestar Nov 2013 #166

Nothing particularly, but Obamacare has been portrayed as a win for everybody, not a wealth transfer FarCenter Nov 2013 #184

Note that the large majority of those complaining have post counts under 500. trumad Nov 2013 #81

I don't have the time or the inclination, but do you check these people's other posts? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #125

Didn't that take like 37,000 posts? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #219

I check post counts. trumad Nov 2013 #221

So what? 1000words Nov 2013 #252

It doesn't work that way Fumesucker Nov 2013 #281

Maybe. . . StrayKat Nov 2013 #294

Oh yes, lots of landmines on the DU Fumesucker Nov 2013 #296

Haha! StrayKat Nov 2013 #303

Very astute observations 1000words Nov 2013 #305

yeah right newbie trumad Nov 2013 #307

lol 1000words Nov 2013 #308

Insurance is always a pooling of resources. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #84

The cut-offs for subsidies are cruel, I agree. passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #214

There will be the 3% who have to pay more but arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #90

Epistemological closure Prism Nov 2013 #96

The refrain I'm seeing from liberal corners Maedhros Nov 2013 #174

If we can get the house back Prism Nov 2013 #254

proposal: set up a new topic group for ACA advice/assistance 0rganism Nov 2013 #102

I believe the admins have already shot that idea down. Three times. MADem Nov 2013 #128

they could just re-title an existing forum 0rganism Nov 2013 #148

We have one--it's called General Discussion, and it's doing the trick. MADem Nov 2013 #156

disagree -- if GD were doing the trick we wouldn't have this thread 0rganism Nov 2013 #179

You think the trolls would stay away from a "health" or ACA group? MADem Nov 2013 #194

yeah, they probably would, at least short-term 0rganism Nov 2013 #310

They'd go to the "Health" group and play the wide-eyed innocent. Count on it. MADem Nov 2013 #314

In many cases, it's deserved. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #130

But instead of posting "cool story bro" Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #135

Exactly!! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #145

People have been doing that--give me your details, I will help you....and the poster refuses. MADem Nov 2013 #152

Excellent suggestion. Thanks for the link. You're right, it can't be trotted out too often... SunSeeker Nov 2013 #183

Everyone is 100% better...... cynzke Nov 2013 #136

I unequivocally support the demise of medical underwriting. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #137

I remember seeing people getting checks with the premiums returned treestar Nov 2013 #169

Depends on what you call worse off. No pre-existing exclusions, no caps, often better coverage, Hoyt Nov 2013 #139

Conversely, I wish I wasn't told "well, hey, at least you got 'yours'" when I try to talk to them ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #151

It isn't just discussions on ACA that bring on the DU bullies. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #153

Another thing that can make DU suck are people who are actively campaigning against the ACA under th LanternWaste Nov 2013 #158

we are all really afraid of losing benefits and this includes ACA/social security/medicare etc La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #159

How do they really lose out? treestar Nov 2013 #160

It doesn't mean it doesn't hurt or scare them passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #235

It's far scarier not to make much money treestar Nov 2013 #245

Those who crap on the few that the ACA hinders Riftaxe Nov 2013 #161

You used an important phrase: "Healthy people" BlueStreak Nov 2013 #173

Or the interesting double standard. progressoid Nov 2013 #185

Nobody loses out. We all gain as individuals when our society becomes more humane and just. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #186

Nicely stated. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #199

Thank you. :) factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #209

"I don't want to be a rich man in a poor country." passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #237

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #250

Next time I need to see a doctor, I'll point that out. winter is coming Nov 2013 #236

There are many countries with universal health care where that is the case, and factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #239

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #246

Oh that's rich... taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #189

Consoled and comforted? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #195

LOL. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #227

Me too. StrayKat Nov 2013 #191

as I mentioned in a reply earlier passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #253

No, I don't see this. StrayKat Nov 2013 #275

we will continue to receive spotty coverage and care passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #354

No. StrayKat Nov 2013 #357

I'm afraid you will need to clarify your reply passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #360

You first. StrayKat Nov 2013 #361

Apparently you don't want to enter into a real discussion passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #370

A discussion? StrayKat Nov 2013 #371

I'm sorry if you took my tone wrong passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #372

Response StrayKat Nov 2013 #374

I think we are on the same side with a few exceptions passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #376

Spotty Coverage and Care StrayKat Nov 2013 #375

very well said, Stray Cat. Thank you for your articulate post cynannmarie Nov 2013 #323

Thanks, Cynannmarie. StrayKat Nov 2013 #336

One of my friends is adversely effected neffernin Nov 2013 #204

The vast majority of ACA horror stories are fictional bull dung, made up for political effect. DrewFlorida Nov 2013 #206

BINGO! I had a right-wing co worker tell me he would retire B Calm Nov 2013 #327

It is hard to be one of those who is going to carry a larger burden. searchingforlight Nov 2013 #225

Thank you searchingforlight... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #269

I sympathize, but as only 3% of the poorly insured population, they get waay too much media hype, ancianita Nov 2013 #228

Thank you. aroach Nov 2013 #231

agree! Those that "are worse off under it . . . do not deserve the rude and skeptical responses" DrDan Nov 2013 #232

...and those who are not should not receive a "well you got yours..." ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #238

civility on both sides is warranted DrDan Nov 2013 #325

The lose-out-ers SHOULD NOT be rude EITHER. Festivito Nov 2013 #262

^^k&R^^ nt Progressive dog Nov 2013 #277

+1,000 nt MADem Nov 2013 #289

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #363

I admire you but I don't think you can change the tone here Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #290

Until we get the insurance companies out of the "business" of healthcare, there tavalon Nov 2013 #291

Do you have links to some of these "rude" threads? Nine Nov 2013 #312

I agree. grantcart Nov 2013 #313

One step at a time IronLionZion Nov 2013 #318

I fully support the ACA, but agree that those who have problems qualifying should be respectfully davidpdx Nov 2013 #320

The ACA is only an "intermediate step" if it fails and has to be replaced. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #337

It provides a mechanism where the profitability of the insurance co.s can be squeezed...squeezed... Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #338

I don't know enough about it yet. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #340

This message was self-deleted by its author Zavulon Nov 2013 #349

I couldn't agree more. Zavulon Nov 2013 #350

Sorry to hear this passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #373

Tell it! cilla4progress Nov 2013 #351

There are lots of bullies on DU and it is not just about ACA. I don't think I could continue to come liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #356

Thank you for saying this, Nye Bevan. City Lights Nov 2013 #367