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Festivito

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56. Thank you. Nicely said. And, I think I was wrong. Stimulus is there.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:14 PM
Nov 2013

The stimulus was divided into several years. And, some of it would not be shown on this chart. Thus, it could be not higher than 300bn/yr.

But, I still do not like not showing the extra Clinton detail.

Bush was all about borrowing and spending. Borrowing includes borrowing by not upgrading. Spending includes not collecting from his rich buddies.

So, for eight years of Bush the chart can be skewed. And skewed even more if it included the difference between what was needed versus what was profitable for buddies.

Then our nation switches to pay for what is needed and the Federal will pay for what was the old responsibility of local governments. All the local governments' work done, they don't have to spend any more. They can coast.

Here's where the chart fails.

Was the Bush spending higher meaning such spending went up during Bush, thereby meaning that we did over-complete projects leaving us less to do.

Was it roughly the same during Bush meaning the drop could be due to a lack of pent demand.

Was the Bush spending lower meaning there was a pent demand for projects and we could be looking at a huge local-government problem across the country.

Yes, this would be the good time to put people to work. Republicans won't allow that and they hold the purse and they won't let go because they can obstruct good spending. If we don't inform the public of the difference missing in this chart, we lose another chance to lessen the power of the economically foolish Republican obstructionism.

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K&R! KoKo Nov 2013 #1
When are the elected Democrats going on the Sunday talk shows and start screaming this? DontTreadOnMe Nov 2013 #2
The narrative is set by the corporate-controlled M$M. watoos Nov 2013 #18
...and so your response to this is... nothing? DontTreadOnMe Nov 2013 #29
Democrat on a Sunday Talk show? hootinholler Nov 2013 #20
When they start getting campaign donations from Cement companies rather than military & banking ones Myrina Nov 2013 #22
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #27
no kidding, but the corporations generally call the shots. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #64
An interesting question- is this due to the ending of earmarks in congress? n2doc Nov 2013 #3
I would say Andy823 Nov 2013 #6
It is not just about "being mean," though. If they can prevent Obama from tblue37 Nov 2013 #37
Earmarks have not ended. Without Congress passing a budget for 3 years.... FogerRox Nov 2013 #40
How much is that new NSA facility ctsnowman Nov 2013 #4
k/r marmar Nov 2013 #5
American Jobs Act bhikkhu Nov 2013 #7
That would make too much sense. maddiemom Nov 2013 #25
Too small of a scale. 6% of gdp is 900 billion-22 million jobs FogerRox Nov 2013 #42
Hang on a minute ... econoclast Nov 2013 #8
The chart includes state and local infrastructure spending groundloop Nov 2013 #11
Is it ONLY state and local? econoclast Nov 2013 #13
War L0oniX Nov 2013 #17
War. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #47
You DO realize that a full THIRD of that $880 billion was..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #60
the chart has a range of Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #62
frittered away on "qualitative easement"? .. . .n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #12
Shouldn't be. QE Is a Federal Reserve thing. econoclast Nov 2013 #14
isn't it what CNBC means when they say "the Stim"? . ..n/t annabanana Nov 2013 #38
Multiplier for QE is about 1.1, for infrastruture its 2.5. FogerRox Nov 2013 #48
Don't we wish! econoclast Nov 2013 #55
.25 is negative, 1.1 is nearly neutral FogerRox Nov 2013 #58
Most of the Stimulus consisted of unemployment benefits and middle class tax cuts. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #16
Ok. So round numbers about 300 billion over 3 years econoclast Nov 2013 #19
Dunno. Not my chart. Not my OP. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #36
They never spent it. Or not all of it at any rate. nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #61
175 billion was spent on infraststructure, wee wiki. FogerRox Nov 2013 #46
+1 n/t DanM Nov 2013 #67
+1, there is something very wrong with this chart. Festivito Nov 2013 #26
I suspect the stimulus infrastructure investment was not enough to offset state and local cuts. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #35
Answers to your questions Jim Lane Nov 2013 #50
Thank you. Nicely said. And, I think I was wrong. Stimulus is there. Festivito Nov 2013 #56
At least the choice of dates is legit econoclast Nov 2013 #54
"on structures" mathematic Nov 2013 #30
Thanks for the link! econoclast Nov 2013 #57
Something is amiss in your numbers FogerRox Nov 2013 #43
Started with Bush but has dramatically dropped under Obama. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #9
Rethugs are supposed to be whizzes at capitalism. "no political will at Fed govt" - uh TeaBaggers UTUSN Nov 2013 #10
A Pentagon spending chart should be right next to that. L0oniX Nov 2013 #15
+ infinity Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #24
$8b in the most recent year mathematic Nov 2013 #31
Can't account for what's being spent on the NSA or DHS ....it's a secret. L0oniX Nov 2013 #32
More and more I am convinced they are trying to make us a third world country. zeemike Nov 2013 #21
I think it's a push by special interest for privatization of public assets and services Auggie Nov 2013 #28
That's okay. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #23
JESUS. And we wonder why growth is so slow in this country. bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #33
exactly, we used to spend 5-6% of GDP on infrastructure, recently only 1.6%. FogerRox Nov 2013 #44
Contractors and developers must not have been contributing enough to the right politicians. FarCenter Nov 2013 #34
How can government have the resources to stamp out terra from the face of the earth, exert global indepat Nov 2013 #39
Chart scale needs to be adjusted taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #41
Go back to 1960, its down like 250% FogerRox Nov 2013 #45
Since 1992 FogerRox Nov 2013 #49
Fiscal conservatives always do the wrong things at the wrong times Warpy Nov 2013 #51
They spend spend spend and hate taxes. Rex Nov 2013 #53
IF ONLY everyone was talking about it. elleng Nov 2013 #52
Here in Australia, infrastructure spending was a major priority during the GFC. mattclearing Nov 2013 #59
For whatever reason, the "Powers" Enthusiast Nov 2013 #66
you can just see it gopiscrap Nov 2013 #63
TPTB want the economy and the nation in the tank. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #65
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